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Old 26th March 2010, 13:11   #31
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@Advyth,

We get TCIC Bolero XD3PU and Matador engines which are in very good condition for less than 30k, but then it is of no use.
So far, even I've been searching the 2.2L Dicor or mHawk engines. I was told that out of these 2, DICOR needs minimal efforts.
There is this guy near my place who can do the work if get the engine . But finding a good DICOR engine is big pain. Either it is too expensive or .
My friend has a 94 model.

Will keep you posted in case of any updates.

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@Advyth,

We get TCIC Bolero XD3PU and Matador engines which are in very good condition for less than 30k, but then it is of no use.
So far, even I've been searching the 2.2L Dicor or mHawk engines. I was told that out of these 2, DICOR needs minimal efforts.
There is this guy near my place who can do the work if get the engine . But finding a good DICOR engine is big pain. Either it is too expensive or .
My friend has a 94 model.

Will keep you posted in case of any updates.

Cheers

Coimby ukkadam market is the place where you wanna go, You will get the engines cheapest here, and the supply is also good. I have seen a lot of safaris in kerala tamil nadu and most of the totaled vehicles end up here due to cash dealings being little quicker.


Again, please make sure you wanna do it as most of the times hazzles involved makes most of such projects shelved. I myself was looking at picking up a used 96 sierra for 25k and then converting it to 4x4 using safari parts, but people asked me to stay away cause it involves a lot of headache. The wiring alone will scare the bejesus out of most of the mechs and then the mountings, its not a bolt on, i doubt if the GB can be mated, the bell housing is different for a safari 2.2 and a sierra, so you would need either a new gear box/new bell housing or a mounting plate, this would make your car further unrealible. SO think do you seriously wanna do it when you have a bolt on option available as the sumo engine.

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Old 27th March 2010, 04:08   #33
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Thanks for that clarification Nitrous.

Pramod my man, if that market is anything like you say it is, then you've just solved a lot of peoples problems. I think the key word in engine swaps or any other mod for that matter is 'balance'. Getting too ambitious is bad, the car wont withstand or the parts wont cooperate. The tata 3 liter Common Rail Dicor engine is a good choice for the Sierra, being lighter than the Safari or the Sumo we'd have better power to weight ratio. The engine bay of the Sierra being pretty similar to the engine bay of the Tata 207s, which now comes with this same 3L engine, shouldn't be too much of a task to get it mounted by a professional (correct me if i'm wrong). Now, this engine being common rail, we could install after market performance chips on them too.

I for one am very close to buying an lpg kit to fit on the Sierra engine. I think i can make an Diesel LPG fumigation kit, with the help of an installer of course. This can actually do wonders for overall efficiency and power.

Another thing thats been on my mind so much is the gearbox swap. I'd love to try the TCIC Safari gearbox on the sierra. Being the same engine it should be already matted well. And again due to the power to weight ratio i think it can have a positive effect. Only one person in the Team BHP community has done this (Vishnu, who is inactive now). His initial report said that it felt awesome. Unfortunately Vishnu's car had an accident subsequently and the thread went off topic. Does anyone know if Vishnu posted a detailed report of the successful gearbox swap?

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Old 31st March 2010, 16:44   #34
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Hey people,

Swapping the Sierra engine with a new age 2.2 vtt or the likes could prove a very troublesome task. For one, I know a friend doing that job and he says the problem happens in wiring and electricals. Even the accelorator is electrically linked unlike the sierra which has a mechanically linked accelorator.

So unless you know someone who has successfully done this job, you'll find it very difficult to manage.

The 3.0L Dicor is i think the best option for the sierra.

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I would hunt for the 2.2 VTT via a dealer..the engine transplant and the change in final drive to suit the engine would do wonders for the sierra.

Second option would be to plonk the Safari TCIC 2.0 litre engine.

Third option would be the 3.0 Turbo [DICOR] or the 3.0liter NA 407 engine. All engines will fit the sierra engine bay but take care to change the final drive accordingly for a good ride.

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2.2 VVT should be clearly avoided as it has an ECU and wiring would be an issue. Even if you manage to fit the engine, can the existing Sierra GB take the 30+ kgm torque?

If you need just utility fit the NA SUMO engine. Not much can go wrong. Sumo A1 has gone some extensive changes to fit TATA 407 engine. Plus since the sierra's chassis is old, with heavier engine the appetite for tires will be more.

SUMO NA sells more than Turbo ones, because it is simpler to maintain and has no turbo lag. Stick to SUMO engine IMHO

p.s DOnt even think of converting sierra to a 4wd. Waste of money.
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Although Vinod, I find myself more a fan of the Turbo Engine. Would never swap my turbo engine for an NA.
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p.s DOnt even think of converting sierra to a 4wd. Waste of money.
Vinod, BTW, did you ever hear about a Sierra with company fitted 4wd? There were very few 4x4 Sierra sold in the country and they are very rare to find. Any idea about their quanitity.

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Old 7th April 2010, 21:11   #38
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Hey Dking,

Yes the Sierra was launched with its 4*4 varient. In India, it was made to order but in Europe it was more readily available with the brand name of Tata Gurkha (1991-2001). Original 4wd parts are still very available in the UK.

Ideally one should change all supporting parts too, since changing the car to a 4wd will also change its load dynamics. Which of course costs a hefty packet.

Gurus correct me if i'm wrong.

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2.2 VVT should be clearly avoided as it has an ECU and wiring would be an issue.
+1 to that. The 2.2 vvt will be a poor choice! Firstly, it will work out too expensive, even if bought used. Second, the weight of this engine - being a direct injection - will be far more than the IDI Sierra turbo engine. Next, the gearbox & its ability to handle the torque. And lastly, the electronics.

Better to sell the Sierra and buy a used Safari 2.2. Believe me, and I have been through a bad engine swap, it could well work out cheaper!
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I really thought a direct injection engine would be lighter.

The 2.2vtt is much lighter than the TATA 483DL turbo (The stock sierra engine).

After looking at some of the scrapped projects i really think going for the regular stock engine itself would be best. Its made for the car and delivers quite a punch. Love the way the engine sounds between 1800 and 3000 rpm. The whistle is just awesome to hear. Once the turbo kicks in at around 2200 rpm, the bull gets hard to stop. With the windows closed the car easily bulls its way through 140kmph, even though 78000kms old. The only drawback i find is the engine response, which is much slower than any common rail engine. But thats just the characteristics of an indirect engine. What i absolutely love is the feel of drive when one hits the highway with this beast. It feels like a hovercraft. Floating.

Retrofitting a Safari gearbox is what i'm looking for now. Vishnu (a TBHP member) has got it done. Does anyone know if he posted a review about it?

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Hi All,

Not sure if I am posting this in the right place. (@Mods, apologies for the inconvenience, can you you please move this thread if it is in the incorrect place?)


I am currently looking out for a replacement engine for my 95' NA Sierra engine and a gear box and alos a CRDI engine and gear box for my 2002 Hyundai Sonata.

Any help/assistance in this regards is highly appreciated. Also, it would greatly help if I can get to know an approxiamte price for both these engines and gear boxes.

(Aside: If I plonk in a say a 2005 engine in my Sierra will I still need to get the 15 year passing done, provided that I get the new engine number endoresed in the RC book?)

Thanks!
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Hi,

If by luck we get a 3.0L dicor engine from the old safari and plonk it on the tata sierra will the chassis of the sierra be able to support the engine.

If the chassis don't support is there any way of strengthing the chassis.

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Hi,

Wanted to replace my 1994 Sierra engine with Safari dicor engine.

Have found a 2010 Dicor VVT engine with ECU, turbo, wiring harness and gear box for a good price.
Now my question is what are the other parts which i should change please let me know. And also advice if this transplant will work.

Some of the parts that come to my mind are
1) Radiator

2) Exhaust

Please list down the other parts which i should change.

Thanks,
Vamsi
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Have you compared the weights of the two engines? Is this the 2.2 Dicor?

Please check if the prop-shafts and rear-axle can take the additional torque/power of the Dicor engine.
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I dont think it is good idea. A safer option is to get a factory refurb 2.0 L IDI TCIC engine in exchange for your existing 2.0L IDI N/A engine. That will be a drop-in for your Sierra. The power/torque of the TCIC engine is more than sufficient for the Sierra. You will also have a trouble-free, electronics-free, purely mechanical engine that is already at home in the Sierra.

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