Viper's engine swapped B16A2 OHC - Now Turbo Charged!!

[doomsday]

Originally Posted by moralfibre

Jiggs, check this B16 build - Shortly after finishing the installation of the 2.

Its crazy!!

All this is with an NA B16.

Just finished reading the whole hog.. Man I got lost more than once.

From what I could infer from the article, it isn't a B16. A quote here:

"The combination we ran consists of the sleeved 85.0mm block, with the lightweight 5.531" rods, 92.0mm crank, our mid-dome Roller-Wave pistons, the welded GSR head, our Bump-Stix intake cam, a 1997 ITR exhaust cam, our valvetrain components, one of the fabricated manifolds, a 65mm Edelbrock throttle body, one of John's Hytech big-tube headers, stock GSR distributor, and Hondata S200 for tuning. "

It is a Frankenstein build, a B18 Integra GSR head mated to what was originally meant to be a DART-built block but due to water leakage was switched to a sleeved 85mm block (which I am supposing is a OE B18 piece)

Amazing build nevertheless, the attention to detail was paranoid, especially about the coolant passages and how painstakingly he wanted to convert the cable clutch to a hydraulic unit. Awesome.

P.S. borexstroke is 81.0×77.4 mm across the B16 range.

edit: @ viper: Was curious to know if you got the standalone back from RDKarthik...

[V-16]

Originally Posted by alias

i have heard that there is not point turbo-ing the vtec

since the power output remains same as when the vtec kicks in

can any body shed some light on it pl

Thats not correct Alais but thats been told to you already.

Originally Posted by alias

well i guess i am doing that aint i???

secondly sir i have also heard that its very difficult to turbo a vtec compared to a baleno or some other car in its league

is that correct

and one more thing that i would like to know is

is it better and easy to mod a baleno than a vtec???

Tuning depends on the Tuner. There are specialists who do the job and perfectly too. Tuning done on a T/Ced car varies from its NA brethren, so much as the barometers change. The figures and the technique to be applied changes. The approach is the same. Yes for a tuner who has not done work on a T/Ced car, it may get tricky but we all live and learn.
As you have heard, a T/Ced or a Vtec is more difficult to tune than a Baleno. So also a Baleno might be more difficult for some to tune that a Maruti 800 and so on. The approach remains the same. The expertise varies.

[Psycho]

Originally Posted by alias

secondly sir i have also heard that its very difficult to turbo a vtec compared to a baleno or some other car in its league

Turboing can be done for any car however a VTEC turbo has its own challenges in terms of tuning and and the issue of wheels breaking free when the VTEC kicks in.

Originally Posted by alias

is it better and easy to mod a baleno than a vtec???

Well here Honda's do have the upper hand in parts availability worldwide and the rev potential from the company, but only for the OHC.

[viper]

Originally Posted by doomsday

edit: @ viper: Was curious to know if you got the standalone back from RDKarthik...

Hi,

Yes its back and installed. Needs to be tuned fully. Will do so today as was out of town.

Viper

[DocG]

Hey Jiggy what's the latest on the ride? How's the VTEC control? Do you feel any significant difference?

What else you got planned for the near future?

And finally how is that pseudo LSD you got? Review

[viper]

Originally Posted by DocG

Hey Jiggy what's the latest on the ride? How's the VTEC control? Do you feel any significant difference?

What else you got planned for the near future?

And finally how is that pseudo LSD you got? Review

Hi Girish,

Got some minor stuff done in the past month such as

1> Replaced front seats with Recaro imitations.(lightened car by about 50 kgs)

2> Replaced steering wheel with a 14" diameter wheel to overcome the problem of speedo console vision getting blocked by the smaller wheel.

3> Changed Engine mounts to custom stiffened mounts(all 3 ) which have made a world of a difference. Car is now much tighter and virtually vibration free.

4> Temporarily removed the Hot Bits coil overs(already sold) and fitted Pedders Springs and custom stiffened shocks. Have ordered another set of fully adjustable coil overs.

5> Vtec not operational as we were unable to make it work with the RD ECU. Waiting for Karthik to come and sort that out.(very upset its been 2 months)

6> The Phantom Grip LSD is performing beautifully and has made a world of a difference wrt to traction.

Will be putting up a short term 4000km report very soon since engine was installed and turbo as well. Just returned from Mahabaleshwar where the car went for the first time on such a long trip after the swap and turbo.

As far as the future goes well there are a few things which I plan to do pretty soon but will post that a bit later.

Viper

[V-16]

Great to know he Gremlins are being sorted out. Have you been able to take care of the knocking issue as yet?

[ramie2400]

@Viper: 1question,does the turbo in petrol car remains "ON" all the time,or kicks at a certain rpm,because ive driven the verna diesel turbo,as the turbo shuts after barking the sudden pick-up dies and the car becomes slow,does this same happenes with the petrol cars too??

[DocG]

Originally Posted by ramie2400

@Viper: 1question,does the turbo in petrol car remains "ON" all the time,or kicks at a certain rpm,because ive driven the verna diesel turbo,as the turbo shuts after barking the sudden pick-up dies and the car becomes slow,does this same happenes with the petrol cars too??

It happens with all turbos...
1) There is a lag phase before the turbo spools. This is because the velocity [Force] of exhaust gas is not high enough to spin the fan blades, which in turn spin the Screw fan forcing air into the cylinders.

2) The turbo is spooling, and air is therefore forced into cylinders. Boost is present

3) RPM is now so high that turbo is already spooling at full speed. So you don't feel any further increase in acceleration. It is not that you're faster than NA, It's that you're not faster than when the turbo motor is in it's power band...

4) Verna and the other turbo cars available use tiny little turbos which force air in at low pressure. That's to maintain FE along with a boost in power. Verna uses a VGT which is a Variable Geometry Turbo. Those are small turbos meant to reduce turbo lag [a lighter fan spins with lower force than a heavier one]. However it maintains a larger power band using veins that open up thereby making it a larger turbo [From my understanding]
Variable geometry turbocharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Doc

[DocG]

@ Viper
Dude great to hear that your enjoying the car...Sad however to hear about your ECU problems hope those get sorted out soon.

I'm getting done with my exams soon, we need to catch up, and I need to TD your car [With or without VTEC]
How much were the Recaros? Are they reclinable or the fixed bucket seats?
How come you're not using D2 coilovers? If I remember correctly you were an ardent fan of them right...

[viper]

Originally Posted by DocG

@ Viper
Dude great to hear that your enjoying the car...Sad however to hear about your ECU problems hope those get sorted out soon.

I'm getting done with my exams soon, we need to catch up, and I need to TD your car [With or without VTEC]
How much were the Recaros? Are they reclinable or the fixed bucket seats?
How come you're not using D2 coilovers? If I remember correctly you were an ardent fan of them right...

Girish,

Hopefully the ECU issues will be sorted out when Karthik arrives in Mumbai. TD anytime you want buddy. The seats are reclinable and cost me approx 17k with matching upholstery.

If you read carefully I said ordered another set obviously D2's man. Getting them made to order as D2 does not make them for the OHC hence will take some time to arrive.

@Ramie - I guess DocG has answered your question.


Viper

[viper]

Hi Guys,

Here is a link to a video taken recently during some testing on the Expressway.


YouTube - 2002 Honda City with B16A Turbo Charged Engine


Viper

[akshay1234]

that THING is faaaaast. and that too without the vtec.

need to pick up this next months BSM.

[heavy_foot]

what is the device which is stuck on to the windscreen in the video??

[alias]

hi does any one knows of a turbo baleno black color in bangalore

i guess its a 06 model with the boost guage and all in the ac vents?