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Old 9th December 2007, 11:57   #76
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Old 9th December 2007, 12:42   #77
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The Government warned motor vehicle users that if they contravened the provisions of Rule 100 (2) of the Central Motor Vehicles Rules, the registration certificate (RC) of the vehicle would be suspended.
The above is from The Hindu : Tamil Nadu News : Use of sun control film on vehicles banned in State

Here is an article from the Delhi Police website, which traces the history of Rule 100 of Central Motor Vehicles RULE. Delhi Traffic Police - Press and Archives of Delhi Traffic Police, Articles of Delhi Traffic Police, Articles on Tinted Glasses

It says that as originally worded, Rule 100 (actually, Rule 100(2) ) of the Central Motor Vehicle Rules were ambiguous and hence, there was an amendment in 1993 which

So, here is a link to Rule 100 as it stands now:- (pdf file).

http://www.dorth.gov.in/writereaddat...2608339380.pdf

When they were originally made in 1989, the Rule 100 of Central Rules were brief and had just two sub rules, of which Rule 100(1) was substantially same as you see now in the pdf file; but several details and sub rules have been added after 1989 as you can see in the above pdf.

So, it after the amendments that the 50/70 principle has been incorporated into the Act.

(here is some Legalese- an "Act" is something by the legislature, and is different from "Rules", which are made by the government and laid before by the legislature because the legislature has permitted the government to do so. An "order" is something the government makes, but does not require laying before the legislature). Again, the "Central" rules override Rules and Acts made by the State, unless the State jumps through certain hoops before making them).

What this means is that the State Governments (and even the courts, unless the court finds that the rules are beyond the rule making power granted by the legislature / constitution to the government) have to enforce the rules (the Central Rules, in this case) as they stand.

For us users of cars this means we should have some proof that the film we have conforms to the 50/70 rule. One way we can do this is to have a bill specifying the opacity / specifications, and retain a small snip of what we stuck on the glass (the way tailors give us a small snip of the cloth we give to them for stitching) for taking the police to court in case of undue harassment.

Now, can some body suggest a better way of carrying around with us proof that our glasses do transmit 50 or 70% as the case may be? (here is a possible hint - Delhi High Court Ruling raises questions about Automotive Window Film)

The rule, strictly read, also means that you cannot apply curtains to the glass.

If you have not bothered to read the pdf - the principle about tints apply in both cases of film as well as in case of tinted glass. So, you cannot escape by replacing your glass with tinted glass.
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Now, can some body suggest a better way of carrying around with us proof that our glasses do transmit 50 or 70% as the case may be?

It would help if the manufacturer gives a small "certificate" or logotype or hologram of some sort, say stuck to the rear window or something, under the film while it is pasted, which would be accepted as a standard (yeah, high hopes, I know).

Or the manufacturer could just issue a certificate like thing for each purchase, with the bill, just like a warranty card that says the film fitted is of such-and-such opacity.

One thing is sure: We need something of this kind that will be accepted both by the user (us), the manufacturer, the courts, and the cops, that will be enough proof of the opacity of the film.

Our good ol' CM in Kerala just mentioned in a Press Conference 2 days back that they are considering raising the fines imposed on traffic violations, making the first offense chargeable by as much as Rs.500/-. I hope they don't latch on to crazy ideas about window tints too.
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So the dash to remove the sun films begins now. It will be clear for a couple of years now before the films return. The sinusoidal wave flows on and on.
So many jobs would be also lost, automags would be without ads and as they say the beginning of the black recession.

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I have a feeling that as per the SC judgement, pretty soon we may start getting options at the time of purchase of selecting the glass of our car (at a price of course). This will be kosher as per the law as laid down by the Hon SCI.
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I have a feeling that as per the SC judgement, pretty soon we may start getting options at the time of purchase of selecting the glass of our car (at a price of course). This will be kosher as per the law as laid down by the Hon SCI.
That's okay for people buying brand new cars. What about existing cars on the road ? I would hate to be penalized for having an old car. With the temperatures rising day by day, even the AC wouldn't be that effective without the film.
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I think we should go back to the old era and use "Curtains" on car windows instead of sunfilms to block out unwanted sunrays and hence heat..... Remember the old Ambassadors and some Mercs with neat curtains ??- Or is that banned too ?

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@stnair, probably for us the hoi polloi. Of course if you are one the high and mighty carry on with the Mafia film (I like that more than dark film) coated glasses plus curtains. Of course we are a socialist democratic republic, but then some are more equal than the others.
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I am not going to remove films from my car. Let the cops remove it (Free of Cost). Of course, I will pay the fine if asked. .

This order is very ambiguous and one can ascertain many meanings out of it. Let the people having knowledge of law analyze it properly and write about it. Guys do not be in hurry to remove film from car. Once in a blue moon if you fined, it is ok. Any lawyers here in Team-BHP who can read order and teach us correct meaning .

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Guys, bumping up this old thread for the do it yourself bhpians on how to remove the sunfilms on their cars. Some interesting articles and videos too.
I am still debating whether to use professional help to get the sunfilm removed or do it myself.

How to Remove Window Tinting - Page 1 - Tint Techniques - Articles - Articles - TintDude.com

How to Remove Window Tint: 20 steps (with pictures) - wikiHow

Am looking forward to a day of crackdowns all over the city by the traffic police today.
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Cross posting from http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post2767277 (Car tints banned by HC! EDIT: Supreme Court bans all kinds of sunfilms in cars)

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I found this on the net: Link here: How to safely remove sun film from cars | Cartoq - Honest Car Advice
I still think its better to get it uninstalled from a professional installer. Will take care of minute details, as they would be experts at this.

How to remove sun film from side glasses

Step 1: Clear the window of all clutter and obstructions such as roller blinds etc.

Step 2: Park the car in the sun for a few hours till the windows are really hot

Step 3: If you have a steam blower or hair-dryer, use this to blow hot steam or hot air directly on the window film.

Step 4: Using a flat razor blade, pick one corner of the film by slicing parallel with the glass to lift up the film’s edge.

Step 5: Continue using the hair dryer or steam blower on the film and keep peeling it back from one side. The more heat you use on the film, the more easily it will come off.

Step 6: Some bits of film may still stick to the glass. To remove this you will need to spray it with an ammonia-based spray like Mo-Kleen or Mr. Muscle.

Step 7: After you spray the sticky bits, use the razor blade at an angle to gently scrape the sticky bits of film and the glue away from the glass.

Step 8: Spray the entire window with an ammonia-based spray and then wipe it with a micro-fibre towel.

Step 9: Use soapy water made with any household detergent to wash off the ammonia spray and bits of glue. Dry the window using a clean cloth or chamois leather.

Step 10: Using a commercial glass cleaner (like Colin), spray the window and buff it with a micro-fibre towel to restore its shine and remove any tiny scratches from the surface.

How to remove sun film from front and rear windscreen

Removing the sun film from a rear windscreen that has an in-built defogger or a built-in embedded radio antenna in the glass is a tricky job. Since the defogger and the antenna are actually tiny copper based paint strips or copper wires stuck on to the glass, when you peel film off the window, you actually risk cutting the defogger or destroying the radio antenna as well.

Step 1: First you will have to soften the film entirely, for this get a sheet of plastic or many old plastic bags or garbage bags.

Step 2: Put some newspaper on the dashboard or the rear-parcel tray. Spray the entire window with a strong ammonia-based cleaner (Mo-Kleen or Mr. Muscle). You can also get ammonium solution from a chemist and dilute it slightly to use.

Step 3: Place the old plastic bags or garbage bags over the ammonia-solution soaked film and leave it like that for about an hour or two, with the car parked in the sun. The sun will heat the glass, while the plastic bags will prevent the ammonia solution from evaporating and will instead allow the corrosive solution to soak into the window film and dislodge the film’s glue.

Step 4: Take a flat razor blade and keeping as parallel to the glass as you can gently lift the film from one corner where there are no defogger strips or antenna wires.

Step 5: Keep pulling the film gently and continuously keep spraying the ammonia solution on it as you pull to keep the glue from drying up.

Step 6: Once the entire film has been removed from the glass spray it liberally with ammonia spray and use a rubber wiper or magic-wipe kitchen towel to remove any sticky bits of glue.

Step 7: Use good glass cleaning solution and spray the glass liberally. Wipe it clean with a micro-fibre towel to restore its shine and remove any fine scratches or bits of glue left behind.

Source: Cartoq – Honest Car Advice
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Yesterday i helped my cousin remove the tints on his Swift. He decided to play it safe as he had some really dark tints. Below is the procedure followed.

What you need: Soap solution, steel wool used for cleaning utensil (we used 3M), blade.

1) Roll down the window to get to the edge of the tint.

2) Use your nail (preferred) or use the edge of a sharp blade carefully to pry off the edge off the tint.

3) With lots of patience slowly and steadily work the tint loose from the glass. No need to use any solution at this stage.

4) Try to peel off the tint without creating kraapp kraapp sound. If this sound is heard it means that tint is not coming off smoothly and some glue residue is being left on the glass. You're needing to have to scrub off some glue in the end. It takes a lot of patience to remove the tint without making that sound, no sound means very little residue to clean off.

5) Once the tint is removed feel the glass with your hand to see if any glue is left behind. If there is glue do not try to lower your glass. It will NOT go down and will get stuck in the horizontal weather strip.

Now the cleaning phase:

(It is preferred if you can take off the plastic door panels as it will help clean the lower end of the glass, it is not a must and we didn't do it).

(If you removed the tints without making that awful sound this stage is a lot easier).

6) Apply soap solution on the glass. Now the left over glue will react with the soap water and form a gel like stuff. You don't need to wait.

7) Take the steel scrubber soaked in soap water and GENTLY scrub off the glue. You can see the scrubber getting clogged up with glue. So wash and change the sides.

(The steel scrubber will not scratch the glass, if it did it would've scratched your La opala and other glass table ware. We used 3M kitchen steel wool. I have used the same technique to remove the sunfilm off the front windshield of my car without any scratching. Do NOT use the green scotchbrite kind of thingy, it is BAD).

8) Once all the traces of the glue is removed. Take a cloth and wipe off the glue residue and debris from the glass.

9) Its done. Refit the door panels if you have taken them off.

Total time taken for this is 1hour and 30 mins. Its a fairly simple DIY. With care nothing can go wrong. If you're not comfortable with the idea of scrubbing the glass with steel take it to a professional.

I might remove the 40% tints applied on my car by myself in a few days. I'm thinking of it not solely because of the SC ruling but the tints have started coming off at some places and have bubbles at some areas.
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One quick question though. Does the door pad or the weather strip need to be disassembled to remove the film below the horizontal weather strip? Or does whatever is below the strip come out easily by pulling the film above the strip?
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One quick question though. Does the door pad or the weather strip need to be disassembled to remove the film below the horizontal weather strip? Or does whatever is below the strip come out easily by pulling the film above the strip?
The film comes out as you pull it. No need to remove anything. Removed the films from my car today. Just don't move the window panes till they are clear of glue. I did and glue misaligned the weather strip.

Hope this helps.
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Below is the procedure followed.
Thanks for the explanation. I ended up removing the film from a friend's WagonR last Friday.

The cheaper the film, and the longer it has been installed, the more glue residue it will leave on the glass once it comes off.

We used some exotic stuff to clean up, but it was a quick and effortless job once we got the hang of it.

Peel off the film - we used a hard plastic instrument to peel up the edges, not a blade. The rest of the film was pulled off by hand.

The residual glue was dissolved by wiping with cotton soaked in xylene. It became soft & opaque, and started to come off the glass. Complete removal was done using a rough towel soaked in propanol/ethanol. About 200 ml of xylene and 300 ml of propanol was used to clean the 4 windows and front & rear windscreens. Denatured (blue) spirit works also, but the effort required is a lot more.

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