Alloy Wheels Advice

[Dinesh99]

Hi All

I need your advice on a few matters.

I want to fit alloy wheels on my cars Honda city GXi ( NHC ) and Maruti 800.

The Maruti has stock tyre ( 145/70 R12 : JkTyres ) .
I want to fit 12 inch Neo Wheels ( Bullet : Chrome plated ).
What would be the cost of the set of 4 Wheels?

Can I fit Neo Bouncer SM ( 13 inch ) or Neo Rally SM ( 13 Inch ) on the 800 ?
Then I have to get 155/65 R13 tyres . Right ?
Will there be any problem like scraping of the tyres ?

The city comes with 175/65 R14 ( GoodYear GPS2 )from factory .
I would like to fit Neo Avalon SS on the city, which is 15 inch rim.
So I will be needing 185/60 R15 ,Right ?

What would be their cost ?

Also can you recommend any tyre brand . Are bridgeStone any good ? They wear off very quickly .

Dinesh

[v.tec]

I just got 15" rims put on my NHC ZX . The tyres that i got are 195/60 R15. you can see the picture on my profile.
I personally got a silverstone kruizer ns500 but its not a long lasting tyre but it performs excellent and has amazing grip and improves the ride quality atleast by 30%...

The rest is upto you, bridgestone potenza's are good tyres and long lasting.

FYI, each tyre costed me Rs.4500.

Recommendations have flown in though that i should get a 205/60 R15, but i'm not that knowledgable about this factor. Just that my personal experience is as above.

[manikjeet]

As v.tec as already suggested the tyre for city i can suggest tyres and alloys for the m800

i thing you should upgrade to 13' rim on the m800 it will look cooler

in 12" you would have much choice other than aura which don't have many designs

the max rubber you can go in for is 165 60 r13 and above that you will scrapp the tyre to the body you can get a 13" rims for about 8k to 12k depending on the company and tyre is all up to you a normal appollo tyre will cost you around 1850 per tyre

[binz]

Originally Posted by v.tec

improves the ride quality atleast by 30%....

Huh..60 profile tires improving ride quality..that too by 30 %???

Originally Posted by v.tec

The rest is upto you, bridgestone potenza's are good tyres and long lasting..

Not all that long lasting.Softer compound compared to other tires in the same price band.

Originally Posted by v.tec

205/60 R15, .

Who recomended that to you??

[vid6639]

For the 800 you have 2 tyre options. If you want 13" alloys then you have to go for 155/60-13. For the 12"ers you can safely go for 155/65-12. Tyre options are Bridgestone S322 or potenza G-III.

For the NHC you can go for 185/60-14 or 195/60-14. both will go fine although with the 195 your ride will be a little better. 14" is a better option as it offers decent ride and handling. 15"ers will provide a slightly harsher ride. the tyres for 15"ers are 185/55-15.

The 14" tyres have lots of options, popular ones are michelin energy, bridgestone potenza G-III.

Alloys neo are good, just go for a desifn you like, other companies are league, plati, hijoin which you can consider.

[kpzen]

I think the topic has been discussed earlier....

Here are some links....

NHC
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...y-what-do.html (New City what to do?)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...y-zx-vtec.html (tyre upsize for city zx vtec)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...a-city-zx.html (Right upgrade for New Honda City Zx)

M800
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...loys-m800.html (Alloys For M800)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...inch-m800.html (alloys(12-inch) for M800?.)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...800-tires.html (Maruti 800 tires)

[Dinesh99]

Hi Guys

Thanks for your time and advices.

Sorry for responding late; had a little connectivity problem.

@v.tec
I have to say that your ride looks super cool with the alloys and tyres
If you don't mind, what difference did you get in the fuel efficiency and pick up in your car with the stock wheels and your current wheels ?
Also how long do you expect your silverstone kruizer ns500 tyres to last ?

With my driving style, I think will get 55-60 thousand kms out of my stock tyres ( GoodYear GPS2 175/65 R14 ). But I will get new alloys and tyres way before that .

@ manikjeet
I agree with you too. 13" are definitely cooler that 12'' and 13'' have a lot of designs to choose from domestic manufactures as well as imported ones.
Thanks for your suggestions.

@vid6639
Thanks for you suggestions
Which manufacturer has the tyres of the specification 155/60 R13 ?
I did not find any . Please let me know if you know any .
Other wise I have to go with 12" alloys.
The reason is M800 is a small car with a small engine. And putting wheels of larger diameter will decrease whatever little pick-up it has .

I have a question though.

A guy in my locality got set of plati alloys wheels ( exactly like v.tec 's prestige ) and Bridgestone Turanza tyres ( 175/65 R14 ) for his black Ford Ikon 1.6. He paid around 22.5 k for the wheels and tyres ( Plati wheels came for around 12.5 K ; 4 sets ). He got it somewhere from N Delhi.
Now within 15-20 days, the wheels developed a crack in the spokes.
Some people say that imported wheels are delicate and these sort of things happen. Indian wheels are more durable . Is this true ? Did you guys face any problems like this ?

Also , for example , if I am going 90-100 kmph in my NHC and hit a pot hole
say, 3 inches deep , will the wheels of a imported brand break or crack ?

And finally thanks to binz ( nice video of baleno doing 210 kmph ) and kpzen for your suggestions.

Dinesh

[revhappy]

Neo Bullet 12" chrome costs 12k for set of 4 but the black and silver costs only 8k. I was surprised by the huge difference. Anyways for my Miami gold zen black and silver looks better so went for it.

[v.tec]

Originally Posted by binz

Huh..60 profile tires improving ride quality..that too by 30 %???


Not all that long lasting.Softer compound compared to other tires in the same price band.



Who recomended that to you??

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...tml#post419279 (Silverstone Kruzer 250)
elf

[manikjeet]

Originally Posted by revhappy

Neo Bullet 12" chrome costs 12k for set of 4 but the black and silver costs only 8k. I was surprised by the huge difference. Anyways for my Miami gold zen black and silver looks better so went for it.

man are you sure you he said 12" chrome wheels for 12k

i am gettin 14" for 11k

[Ram]

Originally Posted by Dinesh99

... M800 is a small car with a small engine. And putting wheels of larger diameter will decrease whatever little pick-up it has .
Dinesh

You are absolutely right about the small engine in the 800.
I would not advocate use of 13-inch wheels.
I have no intention of going for 13-inchers on my M800 12-valve MPFI 5-speed.

But the other day, I saw a Maruti 800 in my gated community, with Neo 12-inch wheels. IMHO they looked pretty cool. Better than bullet-style.
BTW it was wearing Goodyear tubeless 155/75R12 (73T load rating) tires.

Here's a pic.



Comments?

Ram

Postscript# At the present time My 800 has 145/80R12-74S radials on the original pressed steel wheels. Earlier, I upgraded from Goodyear 145/70R12-69S.

The car drives like a dream. The ride quality, absorption of noise, vibration and harshness is decidedly superior to what I had before. The ground clearance has gone up by 1.45 cm.
And the overall gearing is now 5.7% taller, so there will be better fuel economy.
And importantly, the bigger wheels don’t interfere with the wheel-wells, neither while steering nor while bouncing over a speed-bump.

[Dinesh99]

@ revhappy
From what you say things are costly in Bangalore.
I asked around for 12" ers from the Aura Wheels range.
There are 3 models in 12"ers.
1> C0240 ( Full Face Machined )
2> D0240 ( Hyper Silver Finish )
3> E21240 (Hyper Silver / Gold finish )

Now the first two models can be seen on the Aura website
here

The third model ( the best looking in my opinion ) is new and not on the website. You have to go a dealer to see one.
The third model I am talking about has eight spokes and looks seriously cool.
By the way, my cousin got the prices from New Delhi and he says the rims are in the range of Rs 6000 to Rs 7750 ( take or give a few hundred bucks )with bill and warrenty.

@ ram
Thanks a million for the pic
That is the Neo Bullet on the M800.
The finish on it is fully painted silver or hyper silver ( not sure ).

I had made my mind to get the chrome plated model for my M 800.
My M 800 is 96 model in German Red. So I thought that the chrome wheels will look superb.
But two things , kind of changed my mind.
First , why in the world , the designers at NeoWheels decided to put 4 extra holes. I don't know any vehicle which has 12" rims and 8 holes.
The extra 4 hole with no bolts in them ruin the look of the otherwise perfect wheel.
Secondly, the hubcaps of the Neo wheels have a tendency to fall off easily; which exposes the pin lock and the axle end.

By the way, my opinions are totally subjective.

Dinesh

[kpzen]

Originally Posted by Dinesh99

First , why in the world , the designers at NeoWheels decided to put 4 extra holes. I don't know any vehicle which has 12" rims and 8 holes.
The extra 4 hole with no bolts in them ruin the look of the otherwise perfect wheel.

those are two set of 4 holes with different PCD's.....The same design alloy can be fixed in two different PCD cars like 100 PCD n 114.3 PCD....

PCD - Pitch Circle Diameter

This is the diameter of the invisible circle formed by scribing a circle that passes through the centre point of each mounting hole. If you've got the right number of holes, but they're the wrong spacing, again the wheel just won't fit.

[Dinesh99]

Hi Kpzen

Thanks for the info on PCD , but I already knew that

Sorry about being not specific in the above message.

Now the thing is , the cars with stock 12" rims in India are Maruti 800, Alto , Zen and Omni ( it is not a car , it is a van ).

The PCD of M 800, Zen and Omni is 114.3 mm, where as for Alto it is 100 mm.

If you consider the Aura Wheels models ( C0240 , D0240 ,E21240 ), they are 12" with 4 holes and available in the PCD of 114.3 mm and 100 mm.
The 114.3 mm for M 800 and Zen and the 100 mm for Alto.

In a nutshell, Aura has 3 designs, 6 models in the 12 " catagory.

Neo has only one design with 8 holes in 12 " catagory . No matter which PCD size fits your car , you end up with 4 extra holes which ruin the show of the otherwise perfect wheel.
What I wanted to say is why is the world , the designers put a second set of holes, instead of making available another model is the same design and size.


Regards
Dinesh

[Ram]

Originally Posted by Dinesh99

In a nutshell, Aura has 3 designs, 6 models in the 12 " catagory.

Neo has only one design with 8 holes in 12 " catagory . No matter which PCD size fits your car , you end up with 4 extra holes which ruin the show of the otherwise perfect wheel.
What I wanted to say is why is the world , the designers put a second set of holes, instead of making available another model is the same design and size.

Shipping one model of wheel instead of two models,
suits the manufacturer -- he has to have only one manufacturing line.
Simultaneously it also suits the dealer -- he had to stock only one model for 100 mm customers as well as 114.3 mm customers.

Besides Neo, there's a whole host of manufacturers that provide wheels with two pitch circles.

Here is a Kazera alloy wheel. It is flat black with machined lip.



I've shown both Pitch Circles.

The blue one (smaller one) is 100 mm PCD (Pitch Circle Diameter)
and the red one (bigger one) is 114.3 mm PCD.

To determine PCD, take the wheel in your dikky and using a Vernier callipers, measure the stud-to-next-stud distance.



If S is the stud-to-next-stud distance
and N is the number of studs in the circle
Then D, the Pitch Circle Dia. (PCD) can be computed as:

D = S*secant(90-180/N)
(all angles expressed in degrees)

So in a 4-stud/lug wheel as in most 4-cylinder small cars,
D = S * 1.414214

and in 5-stud/lug wheel as as in cars with engines larger than 2800 cc,
D = S * 1.701302

and in a 6-stud/lug wheel as in the 1960-79 Datsun/Nissan Patrol G60, known in India as the "Jonga"
D = S * 2.0

and in a 10-stud/lug wheel as in the Volvo B7R bus
D = S * 3.236068