Improving your cars brakes: Options and costs - Page 4 - Team-BHP

n_aditya · 28th April 2008, 17:16

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Originally Posted by razor4077

but I believe the life is a tad less.

Thanks for the reply razor. Approximately how many kms did the pad's last? A rough estimate will do, so I can compare figures with stock pad's.

And 9k is for a set of 2 EBC Green pad's right?

crazydiablo · 28th April 2008, 18:15

Anything available for the baleno?

fiery enzyme · 29th April 2008, 01:43

Guys, How much would the EBC brake pads for M800 cost, are there any other options available for the 800 other than EBC in terms of brake pads?

razor4077 · 29th April 2008, 12:43

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Originally Posted by n_aditya

Thanks for the reply razor. Approximately how many kms did the pad's last? A rough estimate will do, so I can compare figures with stock pad's.

Just fitted them a month or so ago, so they're still in use

Would suggest you go through EBC's website - they might have a more concrete figure about the life of the pads.

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And 9k is for a set of 2 EBC Green pad's right?

Set of 2 pairs (4 in total - 2 for each front wheel), with shims to cover the pads.

Pics:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...tml#post737037 (Lancer overhaul - Project Phoenix)

v1p3r · 29th April 2008, 15:54

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Originally Posted by crazydiablo

Anything available for the baleno?

Suzisport Kevlar pads.

kaynmantis · 16th May 2008, 13:25

Could someone shed some light on brakes issue.

Assuming car has no ABS.
Most cars will lock wheels when brake hard.
When brakes are improved/upgraded. Cars will lock wheels even more efficiently.

How does this help?

tsk1979 · 16th May 2008, 14:13

Well kay, it does not help.
What it helps in when you are on a track or driving downhill through hairpin turns.
Stock brakes will fade quickly and you will lose braking much sooner, than in upgraded brakes which are better ventilated.
So unless you are going to have a track like situation in your normal driving, all these upgraded brakes will do is give you bragging rights.

v1p3r · 16th May 2008, 14:23

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

So unless you are going to have a track like situation in your normal driving, all these upgraded brakes will do is give you bragging rights.

Unless of course, you drive a car with bad OE brakes, like almost all Indian cars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaynmantis

Could someone shed some light on brakes issue.

Assuming car has no ABS.
Most cars will lock wheels when brake hard.
When brakes are improved/upgraded. Cars will lock wheels even more efficiently.

How does this help?

You need better tyres with more grip to overcome this.

tsk1979 · 16th May 2008, 14:34

Bad brakes?
I have driven the indica, Santro, Getz, Safari, Swift, Palio, and none of these cars had brakes so weak that hard braking would not lock the wheels.
Infact it was quite easy to lock the disks.
I think unless you have badly maintained brakes, it would be rare to find a situation where you won't be able to lock wheels in normal driving.
However after 40kms of continuous downhill stretch, OEM brakes surely go toast, even if you try to stick to engine braking most of the time.

krazydriver84 · 16th May 2008, 14:37

Can somebody please suggest some good brake pads for a m800, and their cost.

v1p3r · 20th May 2008, 03:24

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Bad brakes?
I have driven the indica, Santro, Getz, Safari, Swift, Palio, and none of these cars had brakes so weak that hard braking would not lock the wheels.
Infact it was quite easy to lock the disks.
I think unless you have badly maintained brakes, it would be rare to find a situation where you won't be able to lock wheels in normal driving.
However after 40kms of continuous downhill stretch, OEM brakes surely go toast, even if you try to stick to engine braking most of the time.

Zen, Esteem, Baleno, to name a few. Their braking can best be described as average, and in the case of the old Zen, pathetic. And then again, I did mention, you need to upgrade tyres to appreciate good braking.

Which reminds me, aren't stock cars undertyred anyway? No wonder they lock brakes so easily.

The normal and simple (I'm not saying cheap) solution to brake fade is different discs, whether they are larger, of a different material, or cross-drilled and/or slotted. Also, using better quality brake fluid may help, and stainless steel brake lines certainly help.

razor4077 · 20th May 2008, 11:54

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

Zen, Esteem, Baleno, to name a few. Their braking can best be described as average, and in the case of the old Zen, pathetic.

I'd also add the Lancer to that list. OE brakes are really poor.

im_srini · 20th May 2008, 16:54

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Originally Posted by fiery enzyme

Guys, How much would the EBC brake pads for M800 cost, are there any other options available for the 800 other than EBC in terms of brake pads?

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Originally Posted by krazydriver84

Can somebody please suggest some good brake pads for a m800, and their cost.

Hi, I'm not very sure about the M800 but EBC pads are available for the current Alto (the M800 & the old-Zen were just previous generations of the Alto anyway).

You get both the Ultimax as well as the Green-Stuff pads - they're available from Electra, Chennai. The Green-Stuff ones for the Alto cost a little over 5K, for a set of 4 pads. The Lancer pads are around 8.3K...

cyneverdie · 20th May 2008, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Psycho

Just a quick update EBC brake pads are now available in India for the following cars:

Ultimax Replacement Pads
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Esteem Front
Gypsy Front
M800
OHC 1.5
Skoda
Mitsubishi Lancer CE Front

Green Pads
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Zen
Esteem
Alto
Gypsy Front
Civic
Accent/Getz
Elantra Front
Skoda RS Front & Rear
Superb Front & Rear
Mitsubishi Lancer

DOT 4 Brake Fuild

Hey man , where's the Swift ?
Ultimax available for the swift . N1 in mumbai stocks them - quite reasonable too and he s had them for quite a while too.

silver_shadow · 29th May 2008, 21:16

i'm surprised to NOT see the ikon mentioned in this list. does anyone know of any options for upgrading ikon brakes? any good brake pads out there that will do the job? i have a 1.6 and even though it's running stock it's a bit scary when i have to brake hard.... just not enough bite sometimes.

16th May 2008, 14:13	#52 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,044 View My Garage	Well kay, it does not help. What it helps in when you are on a track or driving downhill through hairpin turns. Stock brakes will fade quickly and you will lose braking much sooner, than in upgraded brakes which are better ventilated. So unless you are going to have a track like situation in your normal driving, all these upgraded brakes will do is give you bragging rights. __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

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tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,044 View My Garage	Bad brakes? I have driven the indica, Santro, Getz, Safari, Swift, Palio, and none of these cars had brakes so weak that hard braking would not lock the wheels. Infact it was quite easy to lock the disks. I think unless you have badly maintained brakes, it would be rare to find a situation where you won't be able to lock wheels in normal driving. However after 40kms of continuous downhill stretch, OEM brakes surely go toast, even if you try to stick to engine braking most of the time. __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

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krazydriver84 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kolkata + Gurgaon Posts: 167 View My Garage	Can somebody please suggest some good brake pads for a m800, and their cost. __________________ Rockin to the Sound of the Engine...

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