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Old 25th October 2007, 14:13   #1
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Hi,

I am planning to install a bull bar for my scorpio (Rock Beige color).
Don't like the OEM ones. I like something solid looking and just pure chrome.

I like the Westin bull bars. Is it possible to get one custom made in India which will look like Westin ?.



http://www.westinautomotive.com/hires/ko/KOBB500W.jpg

http://www.westinautomotive.com/hires/ford/FDPV030W.jpg

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Old 26th October 2007, 01:28   #2
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have a look at mt scorpio...the bull bar is my dads design.
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http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...scorpio-5.html (Custom Paint Job For A Black Scorpio)

that is the link...
this bull bar has a custom designed light mount specially built fot the HELLA 2000
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Please, please please think again.

One aspect is that it ruins the designed response of the car in an accident, making it much less safe for the driver and passengers.

The other is that it is lethal to pedestrians, cyclists --- and probably bulls.

Sorry. Maybe it looks great, but it has no place on a vehicle which is not a proffessional forestry or agricultural vehicle.

There are other threads on this, please check them out.

Bull bars kill. Just say "no"!

Please.
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Bad idea, unless you can get something like this: ARB Bull Bar Design and Engineering

But they don't make it for Scorpio.
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One aspect is that it ruins the designed response of the car in an accident, making it much less safe for the driver and passengers.
Absolutely. The bumper is designed to absorb the energy from a collision, to reduce the impact on the engine and more importantly, the passenger cabin. A bullbar, though it looks very protective, doesn't do a similar job, and does not reduce the impact on the cabin.

However, bullbars are probably the most common accessories on any given SUV in the country. They look impressive and add a macho appeal to an SUV.
Are there any "safe" bullbars commercially available? Ones that are designed to actually protect the passengers?
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...They would still not protect the unfortunate pedestrian.

Walking in front of a car may be stupid, but it hardly warrants a death sentance --- and that bull bar really can make the difference.

What do you want to be doing: helping someone back to their feet, or at least packing them off to hospital; or fending off the crowd because you just killed someone.

There is no safe bull bar.
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Bro,
I share the same view as Thad on the bull bars.
Do consider this b4 you put on one to your Scorpio.

I wud like to add some to Thad's message, bull bars also disturbs the impact zones of your vehicle. Its ability to take impact during a collision/accident changes.

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ok guys some info on this particular bullbar on my car...it has a six point harness rather than a normal two or three point harness
and unlike a bormal bullbar, this took three hours to put on as it is connected directly into the chassis mounts....

for more tech info please p.m. behram.dhabhar...the designer of the bull bar
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And how does that help the pedestrian?

(or you, for that matter: connected direct to the chassis is what avoids the crumple zones, surely?)

My primary objections to these things is safety of other road users.

they are not safe: don't use them.
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...They would still not protect the unfortunate pedestrian.

Walking in front of a car may be stupid, but it hardly warrants a death sentance --- and that bull bar really can make the difference.
I understand what you are trying to say. But tell me one thing... how many of the cars/SUVs/MUVs/trucks/buses manufactured in India are designed keeping pedestrian safety in mind? This design requirement has been made mandatory in countries in Europe, N.America etc, but to my knowledge is not enforced in India.
The point I'm trying to make is, if an SUV, say a Bolero for example, hits a pedestrian at say 40 kmph, how much less of an impact will it make sans a bullbar?

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What do you want to be doing: helping someone back to their feet, or at least packing them off to hospital; or fending off the crowd because you just killed someone.
This is OT, but in Calcutta, if you hit someone with a car, the crowd will be baying for your blood whether you kill the person or not.
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This is OT, but in Calcutta, if you hit someone with a car, the crowd will be baying for your blood whether you kill the person or not.
OT - In Kolkata, after a hit and run, the next few vehicles to reach the spot are also in serious trouble.
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This thread makes me re-think. I might just remove the bull bar that came standard with my Scorpio.
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Razor, I'm sure you're right, but that isn't a reason to make things worse.

My guess is that hitting that pedestrian with a bull bar at 30 miles an hour might cut them in half. Without it they would probably live. At speeds much over that (according to what I've read) fatalities are more likely anyway.

Even Mercedes had to put their trade mark crest on a spring, so that it does not tear the guts out of anyone who happens to cross the bonnet at speed. Even RR --- their symbol is even more lethal!

The point with bull bars is not what's going to happen at speed --- it is that they can turn otherwise trivial accidents into fatal ones.

And for what? Just to tweak the appearance. Just to make the thing look a bit more macho.

Please, guys?

Lets put these bull-bar makers out of business
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This thread makes me re-think. I might just remove the bull bar that came standard with my Scorpio.
I'd really be very happy if I'd contributed to someone making that decision; or deciding to wear a seat belt; use a proper child seat, or some other potential life saver

There is another thread on the subject from not long ago, with words of greater wisdom than mine...
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