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Old 20th January 2008, 04:47   #16
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I just had a look at fuelstars website and his "scientific claims" are absolute hogwash.

Let's see a sample of who has conducted his so-called tests:


California Environmental Engineering lab

LOL! The what lab again?



CEE LLC, California Environmental Engineering

California Environmental Engineering (CEE) is a complete full service vehicle and engine testing facility located in Santa Ana, California.
As a major EPA-recognized and CARB-Certified mobile source emissions laboratory, CEE is continually upgrading its testing facilities and equipment in response to changing regulatory mandates and vehicle technology.

CEE is able to test products in order to allow certification by the California Air Resources Board exemption procedure and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency guidelines. This process allows issuance of an Executive Order (E.O.) and provides an opportunity to sell a product legally in the State of California.

CEE provides Cummins, Caterpillar, Detroit Diesel, & other engines for use as "test mules" for specialized R&D requirments. The CEE lab also has a custom built fully operational motorcycle dyno used for on-going support in a previous compliance program to test Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, & Harley Davidson Motorcycles


CEE clients
  • CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD (CARB)
  • NISSAN NORTH AMERICA
  • MITSUBISHI MOTORS CORPORATION
  • VOLKSWAGEN OF AMERICA (VW/AUDI)
  • BMW-ENGINEERING
  • COSWORTH TECHNOLOGY
  • HONEYWELL
  • AMERICAN BIO-FUELS
  • WEST COAST BIO-FUELS
  • BIO-FRIENDLY CORPORATION
  • FORD MOTOR COMPANY
  • VOLVO
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Old 20th January 2008, 05:04   #17
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@ Cyneverdie - Please pm me with the issues you are facing. You can be rest assured that they will be sorted out.
hey man - completely assured ; no problems , thank you . Have some blind faith in "the boys" .
I believe Praveen runs it in his swift , hence i will first speak to him and then perhaps get in touch with you man . Already sent Praveen pictures .
thank you and take it easy man

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Old 20th January 2008, 07:27   #18
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I am running Fuelstar in my SWIFT for the past 2 months and there is a visible improvement in the engine performance and in mileage. I too have bought it from Speedworks Chennai.

Recently I filled my tank with HP Power premium petrol, and the performance and mileage was too bad. I usually go for IOC Xtra Premium and with FuelStar the engine is very smooth and responsive.

Not sure if Fuelstar is sensitive to the additives in the premium petrols!
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@cyneverdie: I will wait for your's and sideways results and then decide on this. But if this product is so good why any others had not installed this?
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@cyneverdie: I will wait for your's and sideways results and then decide on this. But if this product is so good why any others had not installed this?
Mobil 1 or synthetic engine oil is VERY VERY good , many people are not on it.
$ Moolah always counts man
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Old 22nd January 2008, 11:00   #21
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Hey Rush,

You might just be surprised at what this canister can do. I am doing some R&D and testing on it myself. Will post results in a week or so.
Alright Sideways, I await your word on it.

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California Environmental Engineering (CEE) is a complete full service vehicle and engine testing facility located in Santa Ana, California.
As a major EPA-recognized and CARB-Certified mobile source emissions laboratory, CEE is continually upgrading its testing facilities and equipment in response to changing regulatory mandates and vehicle technology.
Come on cyneverdie, tell me something I don't know! Not a mere cut-copy-paste from their website. That is a “private” business and a PUC center too; certainly not an authority (govt. or otherwise) whose claims any reputable organisation will market on their website. Neither is it someone whose opinion I will trust blindly.

Coming back to their so-called testers:

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First off, there is NO University of Kaohsiung. Taiwan does have a "National University of Kaohsiung" which is all of 7 years old. Even my neighbourhood Aptech center is older than this co-called university.
Now would you rather trust this nobody university or a reputable one like the University of Melbourne? The University of Melbourne is a public university in Australia, one of the oldest and one of the best ranked.

Guess what? The University of Melbourne conducted a study on the fuelstar and concluded that it has no benefits at all! But the fuelstar website conveniently refutes their findings with some nonsense. In an argument between the reputed University of Melbourne and the fuelstar company, I know who I will trust.

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Institute of Vocational Education, Tsing Ye, Hong Kong – Sep 2004
Again, an institute of vocational education no less!!! Plus this report is in a language that I cannot understand, and ON THE FUELSTAR letterhead. So much for credibility.

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Ministry from Thailand
They have specifically written that more tests are required to arrive at a conclusion. Also, not a mention of increase in fuel efficiency or power.

Some scientific tests these are.
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They talk about some micro tin particles that provide the improvement.

There have been some nano engineered particles which do reduce pollution and increase the fuel efficiency. They are used by the Australian transport department. Other governments do not use this since the effect of nano particles are not known on environment and human kind.

So the theory is practical but don't know about in this case. Will have to wait and see.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 12:23   #23
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They talk about some micro tin particles that provide the improvement.
So then the tin works just like lead? Benefits would be restricted to engines that were designed for leaded fuel, but are currently running on unleaded.

Also, wouldn't this lead to engine deposits too?
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Hi guys, I've been using this product in my little car for the past couple of months. Got it, like Cyneverdie, from SpeedWorks - paid 7.5K for it. Sure, I did the usual Googling & stuff on hearing about this product. Notwithstanding the "scientific" explanations on how this product worked, what caught my attention were the long list of testimonials !

Anyway, after installation I did notice that the throttle was "sharper", & there did seem to be an improvement in performance. However, how much of this perceived improvement was in my head I do not know. Initially I saw a 10% to 15% improvement in the fuel efficiency figure, but now it's dropped back to the pre-FuelStar values. This is with Speed97, which I've been using since it's introduction...
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after installation I did notice that the throttle was "sharper", & there did seem to be an improvement in performance..... Initially I saw a 10% to 15% improvement in the fuel efficiency figure, but now it's dropped back to the pre-FuelStar values.
Could the drop in FE be linked with the sharper throttle response? I mean FE drop could be due to "aggressive" driving isnt it? or has your driving style remained unchanged pre fuelstar and post fuel star installation?
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Could the drop in FE be linked with the sharper throttle response? I mean FE drop could be due to "aggressive" driving isnt it? or has your driving style remained unchanged pre fuelstar and post fuel star installation?
Hi Aditya, yes, you're right - there was a lot of "spirited" driving on install since the car felt extremely responsive I was expecting a big drop in mileage despite the FuelStar, so the gain was actually a surprise But recently, the fuel efficiency figures have dropped back to their old levels. And its possible that I've gotten used to the improved response & performance, so 2 months down the line, the FuelStar's apparent benefits don't ring so loud !

Another reason why I'm not going ga-ga over the FuelStar & recommending it left, right, & center is that I was a firm believer in "MotorUP" - I really thought it worked ! But we all know how THAT turned out, don't we ?

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So then the tin works just like lead? Benefits would be restricted to engines that were designed for leaded fuel, but are currently running on unleaded.

Also, wouldn't this lead to engine deposits too?


You obviously haven't been thru the websites much so if you give a damn -

Fuelstar - less fuel cleaner air

Fuelstar fuel saving catalysts at Autoparts Wholesalers

what the experts say

"I have thoroughly tested the Fuelstar on my Froude engine dynamometer on at least five
different engines and can confirm that the Fuelstar product meets all the claims made for it."

Ross Calgher, Consulting and former McLaren engineer, Waitara, New Zealand


"Several trucking companies are now using Fuelstars and saving fuel to the extent of 12 to 15%, as well as reducing Greenhouse Gas emissions."

New Zealand Herald 2 August 2007


"Fuelstar is so good, it should be installed in all engines from new."

Sir Jack Brabham OBE, 3 times Formula 1 winner, UK and Australia



Tin based combustion catalysts had been used with varying degrees of success during and from the Second World War in the 1940's. However, it was not until the mid 1990's, when a research program commissioned by Fuelstar and headed by research chemist Ron Wilkinson of Melbourne, Australia, that the means of operation became fully understood. Mr Wilkinson, a Chartered Chemist, had the benefit of 37 years' experience with the CSIRO, including several years as a specialist in fuel oxidation chemistry. The revelation was that the operation of the product relied upon friction of the alloy pellets within the canister to release sub-micron particles of metallic tin into the fuel stream. These particles are invisible to the naked eye but can be readily seen in the test laboratory using a mircroscope. This is nano-chemistry working at its finest. With this new-found knowledge, Fuelstar completely redeveloped its product so as to ensure that the tin particles were released with greater reliability. These particles are reactive and when they reach the combustion chambers a reaction takes place giving a more complete fuel burn. The result is reduced emissions and increased engine efficiency. The performance of the product is assured and guaranteed.

The performance of the product is assured and guaranteed.

so thats what they say right ,
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Cy, pls quote your source. Pls separate your comments, points & observations from what you are quoting.

Sampler: the entire paragraph here is on the Fuelstar home-page, under the sub-title "History":
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cyneverdie : Tin based combustion catalysts had been used with varying degrees of success during and from the Second World War in the 1940's. However, it was not until the mid 1990's, when a research program commissioned by Fuelstar ..... ... The performance of the product is assured and guaranteed.

The performance of the product is assured and guaranteed.
Of course the performance is assured and guaranteed. Every company will assure & guarantee that it's products will work.

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Old 23rd January 2008, 10:06   #29
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@ cynerdie : Again :

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tell me something I don't know! Not a mere cut-copy-paste from their website.
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I say give Fuelstar the benefit of doubt. Wait till results are posted, and THEN we can turn this into another 10 page thread which leads nowhere.
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