Automech or Viper - Team-BHP

amit_mechengg · 2nd January 2008, 18:53

hello guys,
i need a bit of help and not controversy. i wanna put a F.F.E on my car...ALTO 800 , 47 horses..... spoke with both the guys Automech and Viper...

Automech has kit ready for Alto, a pre designed and proven one with many options low,mid, high range performances.....

Viper says he doesnt have the kit ready ..he will design while fitting it on my car itself as the jigs arent pre designed....

under these situations please suggest me where shall i drop in...i have to drive from pune to mumbai...i cannot take a risk of rework or so at any cost....i want one shot perfect work done....

also cost of automech < cost of Viper

GTO · 2nd January 2008, 19:37

Well, either of them have their bunch of satisfied customers. But their business model is different; Auto Mech make and fit the exhausts themselves while Viper outsources it to someone else.

Go ahead with whoever you are more comfortable with.

speedzak · 2nd January 2008, 19:40

Automech is one shot readymade stuff. Viper's is a bit more like custom made.
You may sit, discuss and decide what suits you best with Viper. Dunno if that can be done with Automech. Both are good and performs well and even the build quality is good.

As You've already spoken to both, I think they're the best to know about the pricing too. Should be around 6-7k for the kit I think.

payam · 2nd January 2008, 21:32

See this,it might help you:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ms-mumbai.html (Who builds the best exhaust systems in mumbai ?)

jerish666 · 3rd January 2008, 02:42

I dont know about viper but automech is really good.For Alto automech is good.Price may be cheaper than viper.

V-16 · 3rd January 2008, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedzak

Automech is one shot readymade stuff. Viper's is a bit more like custom made.
You may sit, discuss and decide what suits you best with Viper. Dunno if that can be done with Automech. Both are good and performs well and even the build quality is good.

As You've already spoken to both, I think they're the best to know about the pricing too. Should be around 6-7k for the kit I think.

I agree with speedzak. If you know what you want and then want to get the required performance (Bottom-mid-top) and in which permutation and combination then Viper is your guy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerish666

I dont know about viper but automech is really good.For Alto automech is good.Price may be cheaper than viper.

Automech have been in the exhaust business since donkey's years. So also is Viper's guy. I know for sure that Automech make exhausts as per the general requirement. They do not and will not make a one off exhaust specially for you (unless you know them very very very well and you can emotionally blackmail him - to be read as he will not do it). So if you are looking at enhancing the performance at a specific range or ranges then its best to get your exhaust custom made and thats when Viper Performance comes in.
Both have a long list of installs and both are reliable and perform well. One coats the headers with an Aluminium alloy and the other gives you ceramic coated headers. If you want Satinless steel headers then I think Viper will be cheaper as for a one off job, Automech may be more expensive.. I think. TAlk to both about what you want and then take your decision acordingly. IMHO both are equally good

amit_mechengg · 3rd January 2008, 19:05

by the way today i saw that there is a enclosure over my exhaust manifold and it has a sensor in it....what do these people do with that while fitting FFE ?? i hope they retain it...

speedzak · 3rd January 2008, 19:26

Arrey Baba! Do you think these people dunno about it?
Every car (well, almost every new generation cars) has it there and those thingys will be retained.

dragger · 3rd January 2008, 23:13

hey buddy the sensor that you see in the alto on the exhaust manifold is a narrow band o2 sensor,even in the aftermarket exhuast there is a sensor bung provision given this sensor will be retained and installed in the new free flow exhaust aswel,cheers,happy revvin..!

vittalnrv · 3rd January 2008, 23:20

Where in Bangalore can I get the Automech exhaust. If not available in Bangalore, who is the person to contact for sourcing?

chetanhanda · 4th January 2008, 00:43

I dont know how good Automech is now ...
I had a bad experience with Automech 3-4 yrs ago. I had ordered a complete exhaust system from them for my MPFI M800 from headers to the muffler.
The quality of the product was pathetic, the inner surface of the headers were not even surfaced properly , I could see the the unfinished welds sticking into the inner dia of the headers...where the flanges are connected to the header tubes... the headers are supposed to have a smooth inner surface and not stuff jutting out into it..
Anyways,after fitting it to the car there was no change in low end torque neither top end .. even the exhaust note was muffled... it felt like a stock exhaust and sounded like a damaged stock muffler.
The headers had some kind of a coating .. and I'm not sure if coating(considering the coating material used) is a really a good idea as its not going to help so much in keeping under hood temps down as compared to stopping the headers from cooling down.
I just returned it...

amit_mechengg · 4th January 2008, 10:21

ooh thats bad....he sent u some rejected stuff it seems so...from where had u ordered it??? from autmech people themselves or the intermediate vendor??

V-16 · 4th January 2008, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

by the way today i saw that there is a enclosure over my exhaust manifold and it has a sensor in it....what do these people do with that while fitting FFE ?? i hope they retain it...

Yes they do as explained by Zak and Dragger. You can see it partly though in my car in the pic below.

amit_mechengg · 4th January 2008, 14:32

great to see that they retain the sensor. i really wonder whether my header will be visible in my alto. its so cramped and below in the gap behind the radiator.
i think its a ceramic coat right? i had heard that automech do aluminim coat?

im_srini · 4th January 2008, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

great to see that they retain the sensor. i really wonder whether my header will be visible in my alto. its so cramped and below in the gap behind the radiator. i think its a ceramic coat right? i had heard that automech do aluminim coat?

Yes, the Alto's engine bay is a tad tight but a custom exhaust fits in nicely. Plus, the radiator is off to one-side in the Alto, on the passenger side, while the block is on the driver's side. So clearance is not as bad as one would think it would be.

I have a custom exhaust in my Alto (Electra Performance), seemed a tad expensive at first, but the increase in performance & the sound (nay, music) makes it all worthwhile

2nd January 2008, 18:53	#1 (permalink)
amit_mechengg BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 744 View My Garage	Automech or Viper hello guys, i need a bit of help and not controversy. i wanna put a F.F.E on my car...ALTO 800 , 47 horses..... spoke with both the guys Automech and Viper... Automech has kit ready for Alto, a pre designed and proven one with many options low,mid, high range performances..... Viper says he doesnt have the kit ready ..he will design while fitting it on my car itself as the jigs arent pre designed.... under these situations please suggest me where shall i drop in...i have to drive from pune to mumbai...i cannot take a risk of rework or so at any cost....i want one shot perfect work done.... also cost of automech < cost of Viper

2nd January 2008, 19:37	#2 (permalink)
GTO Super-Admin Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 12,532 View My Garage	Well, either of them have their bunch of satisfied customers. But their business model is different; Auto Mech make and fit the exhausts themselves while Viper outsources it to someone else. Go ahead with whoever you are more comfortable with. __________________ GTO Change the way you think, and watch the world change around you. Please don't PM for support. Use the Contact Form instead. Please read the NEW Team-BHP FAQ section for all your queries.

2nd January 2008, 19:40	#3 (permalink)
speedzak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dubai, UAE. Posts: 3,489 View My Garage	Automech is one shot readymade stuff. Viper's is a bit more like custom made. You may sit, discuss and decide what suits you best with Viper. Dunno if that can be done with Automech. Both are good and performs well and even the build quality is good. As You've already spoken to both, I think they're the best to know about the pricing too. Should be around 6-7k for the kit I think. __________________ The squeaking wheel doesn't always get the grease. Sometimes it gets replaced!!

3rd January 2008, 19:26	#8 (permalink)
speedzak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dubai, UAE. Posts: 3,489 View My Garage	Arrey Baba! Do you think these people dunno about it? Every car (well, almost every new generation cars) has it there and those thingys will be retained. __________________ The squeaking wheel doesn't always get the grease. Sometimes it gets replaced!!

3rd January 2008, 23:13	#9 (permalink)
dragger BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: India-Mumbai-Colaba Posts: 285	hey buddy the sensor that you see in the alto on the exhaust manifold is a narrow band o2 sensor,even in the aftermarket exhuast there is a sensor bung provision given this sensor will be retained and installed in the new free flow exhaust aswel,cheers,happy revvin..! __________________ oVaBoosT - Performance Unleashed...!!

2nd January 2008, 21:32	#4 (permalink)
payam BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pune Posts: 897 View My Garage	See this,it might help you: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ms-mumbai.html (Who builds the best exhaust systems in mumbai ?)

3rd January 2008, 02:42	#5 (permalink)
jerish666 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 579	I dont know about viper but automech is really good.For Alto automech is good.Price may be cheaper than viper.

3rd January 2008, 19:05	#7 (permalink)
amit_mechengg BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 744 View My Garage	by the way today i saw that there is a enclosure over my exhaust manifold and it has a sensor in it....what do these people do with that while fitting FFE ?? i hope they retain it...

3rd January 2008, 23:20	#10 (permalink)
vittalnrv BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 127	Where in Bangalore can I get the Automech exhaust. If not available in Bangalore, who is the person to contact for sourcing?

4th January 2008, 00:43	#11 (permalink)
chetanhanda BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 809	I dont know how good Automech is now ... I had a bad experience with Automech 3-4 yrs ago. I had ordered a complete exhaust system from them for my MPFI M800 from headers to the muffler. The quality of the product was pathetic, the inner surface of the headers were not even surfaced properly , I could see the the unfinished welds sticking into the inner dia of the headers...where the flanges are connected to the header tubes... the headers are supposed to have a smooth inner surface and not stuff jutting out into it.. Anyways,after fitting it to the car there was no change in low end torque neither top end .. even the exhaust note was muffled... it felt like a stock exhaust and sounded like a damaged stock muffler. The headers had some kind of a coating .. and I'm not sure if coating(considering the coating material used) is a really a good idea as its not going to help so much in keeping under hood temps down as compared to stopping the headers from cooling down. I just returned it...

4th January 2008, 10:21	#12 (permalink)
amit_mechengg BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 744 View My Garage	ooh thats bad....he sent u some rejected stuff it seems so...from where had u ordered it??? from autmech people themselves or the intermediate vendor??

4th January 2008, 14:32	#14 (permalink)
amit_mechengg BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 744 View My Garage	great to see that they retain the sensor. i really wonder whether my header will be visible in my alto. its so cramped and below in the gap behind the radiator. i think its a ceramic coat right? i had heard that automech do aluminim coat?

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