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Old 23rd January 2008, 11:53   #1
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I have a friend with an Alto who has a already done basic mods on the performance end. Shaved head, Simota intake, FFE, Iridium plugs, plug wires etc. Now he wants to have a upgrade of the cams. Can someone please help him on this. The car is the 1061 cc block.
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Old 24th January 2008, 20:34   #2
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Hey bro are you going to take the alto to track or something,otherwise these mods are not recommended for a car that your going to be using on a daily basis.
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Hey bro are you going to take the alto to track or something,otherwise these mods are not recommended for a car that your going to be using on a daily basis.
Yes! Tarul the car will be on track.
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The only person that I know & trust for performance mods is psycho,may be you should get in touch with him.
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Old 25th January 2008, 09:53   #5
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I believe the Alto 1.1 engine is a bored-out version of the old Gypsy 970cc engine (not 100% sure though). Get in touch with some of the guys who used to rally the old gypsies, they might hook you up with something. Your best bet is one of the old school guys like the Madans or Kamlesh Patel, or even Leelakrishnan in Coimbatore.
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Ananth, I don't think so. The Alto is the M800 F8 with a 4th cylinder. The old 1000/Gypsy engine is different, though of the same family.
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Old 26th January 2008, 04:57   #7
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The Gypsy is an F10A. The Alto 1.1 is called an F10D. Both have the exact same stroke (72 mm, incidentally same as the 800). The Gypsy gets its 970cc from a 65.5 mm bore, whereas the Alto gets its 1061 cc from a 68.5 mm bore. Its somehow easier for me to believe that Maruti wouldn't have gone to the trouble and expense of designing a whole new block, rather than re-boring the old one by 3 mm.

That F8 + 1 cylinder is definitely some crap cooked up by a smart journalist, no doubt aided by Maruti's marketing division.

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That F8 + 1 cylinder is definitely some crap cooked up by a smart journalist, no doubt aided by Maruti's marketing division.
F8 is 3 cyl and 796 cc. Alto 1.1 is 4 cyl and 1061 cc. Same bore, same stroke. Do the math.
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Too funny man, you thought I didnt do the math on that one. What I'm saying is they bored out the Gypsy block instead of building a whole new block. Go see both the blocks and I'll eat my words if they aren't the same.

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I myself have been confused about this. Some detail engine pics of the M1000 and Wagon R blocks should clear it up.
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To those who are on the lookout for cams for the Alto 1.1, you could try contacting N1 Engineering. They respond to your queries promptly and are generally a delight to work with. I understand that they've been working with Piper Cams for the past 3 years and have managed to re-profile cams for several Indian engines.

Piper can also be contacted directly. For a re-profile of a stock Alto 1.1 cam, you could be quoted around 200 GBP (~16K at today's rates). Of course, you'll have to provide the stock F10D camshaft (~2.5K) and pay for shipping to Piper and back.

Piper do mention that with re-profiling you can't get "crazy" profiles (300+) and higher lift. If you insist on 300+ profiles and higher lift, Piper can grind you a one-off billet cam, the quote for that is around 600 GBP (~48K) !?!
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hi, how much does a camshaft weigh approximately ? i am trying to buy one overseas and want to calculated the postage that would be passed on to me ?

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hi, how much does a camshaft weigh approximately ? i am trying to buy one overseas and want to calculated the postage that would be passed on to me ? thx
Hi, the weight of the cam would depend primarily on its size, which is usually proportionate to the size of the engine. The shipping weight of the cam for the Alto 1.1 was ~2.5 Kgs. I guess you can assume a maximum shipping weight of 4 Kgs to calculate freight charges.
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The Gypsy is an F10A. The Alto 1.1 is called an F10D. Both have the exact same stroke (72 mm, incidentally same as the 800). The Gypsy gets its 970cc from a 65.5 mm bore, whereas the Alto gets its 1061 cc from a 68.5 mm bore. Its somehow easier for me to believe that Maruti wouldn't have gone to the trouble and expense of designing a whole new block, rather than re-boring the old one by 3 mm.

That F8 + 1 cylinder is definitely some crap cooked up by a smart journalist, no doubt aided by Maruti's marketing division.
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F8 is 3 cyl and 796 cc. Alto 1.1 is 4 cyl and 1061 cc. Same bore, same stroke. Do the math.
The F8 & F10D share a lot of parts. They have added a cylinder. The engines look quite similar. The gypsy engine is the same as the M1000 one right, which has a Cast Iron block but is similar to the Aluminium Zen (1.0) and Esteem (1.3) engines.

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I have a friend with an Alto who has a already done basic mods on the performance end. Shaved head, Simota intake, FFE, Iridium plugs, plug wires etc. Now he wants to have a upgrade of the cams. Can someone please help him on this. The car is the 1061 cc block.
What is a shaved head and how does it affect performance? (Assuming that you are referring to the engine and not the driver.)
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