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Old 2nd September 2008, 18:00   #31
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Viper bhai how will it bwe less than 1.6 twin cam. Turbo kits are going cheap these days.
Also A TC swift is way faster than a 1.3 twincam.
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Viper bhai how will it bwe less than 1.6 twin cam. Turbo kits are going cheap these days.
Also A TC swift is way faster than a 1.3 twincam.
Amit,

Was referring to 1.6l twin cam. From what I understand a new branded turbo kit with stand alone costs 1.4lacs. And am sure a 1.6l twin cam will beat a tc'd swift using stock internals at 5-6 psi. I may be wrong as have never raced both together.


Also a 1.6l twin cam will be more reliable and a daily driver than a TC'd swift.

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Amit,

Was referring to 1.6l twin cam. From what I understand a new branded turbo kit with stand alone costs 1.4lacs. And am sure a 1.6l twin cam will beat a tc'd swift using stock internals at 5-6 psi. I may be wrong as have never raced both together.


Also a 1.6l twin cam will be more reliable and a daily driver than a TC'd swift.

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okay if its the whole unit that costs less to import then its awesome, do you mean even after paying import duties and bribes etc and getting this engine cost less?

and more over they wont be brand new engines right so would they still be as reliable after a rebuild?


and after all this what about the handling and braking of the car, wont it go for a toss? like i asked in my previous posts?

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well he still is better off with a baleno engine for half the price.
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instead of all this guys.
just change the bottom half in the swift to a larger one. Say the baleno. the head and all else remains the same. Total VFM increase in power. then save money and go TC. It will wipe out competition and yes please do upgrade brakes.
There is one such build happening soon
But, amit isn't the baleno's rod stroke ratio so haywire that TCing it could pose problems? I think the 1.3L is still a better engine to turbo than the 1.6L. I think you are referring to Vikram's car, aren't you?
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My friend who says you got to use the stock combo????
Vikram's car he would be the best person to ask not me.
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Vikram is getting a 1.6?

Amit, you're going turbo?
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My friend who says you got to use the stock combo????
Ahem, I was thinking its the same block you had for sale. Didn't know it came with different internals. Always thought it was stock internals beefed up to take more strength, but the same dimensions as stock.

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You pretend quite well .
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So what are we saying here ? As I understand, we are talking of 3 variations / options :-

01. Standard Swift engine with the Swift GTi twin cam head
02. Standard Swift engine TC'd
03. Baleno bottom with stock Swift upper (head)

Would someone be so kind as to elaborate & explain the pros & cons as also cost implications of the 3 options ?


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03. Baleno bottom with stock Swift upper (head)
Ricky, the swift is already running a baleno head (from the factory itself). With a slightly wilder cam profile.
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Ricky, the swift is already running a baleno head (from the factory itself). With a slightly wilder cam profile.
Rahul,

Am a bit confused. Are you saying that all swifts come with baleno heads from Maruti and they have wilder cams than regular baleno's or Vikram's car has a Baleno head with a wilder cam.

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Rahul,

Am a bit confused. Are you saying that all swifts come with baleno heads from Maruti and they have wilder cams than regular baleno's or Vikram's car has a Baleno head with a wilder cam.

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Jiggy Bhai,

IIRC, all swifts (from Maruti) have the old esteem block mated to a baleno head with slightly wilder cam profiles. I had this confirmed by one of the technical heads at RNS Motors, Bangalore when I was looking for some technical help on swifts and balenos.
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Jiggy Bhai,

IIRC, all swifts (from Maruti) have the old esteem block mated to a baleno head with slightly wilder cam profiles. I had this confirmed by one of the technical heads at RNS Motors, Bangalore when I was looking for some technical help on swifts and balenos.
Rahul,

I did not know that. Correct me if wrong but all that extra torque a baleno has is there only because of the 1.6 block and if the same is swapped to a swift then the swift should be faster than a baleno going by what you just said.

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Rahul,

I did not know that. Correct me if wrong but all that extra torque a baleno has is there only because of the 1.6 block and if the same is swapped to a swift then the swift should be faster than a baleno going by what you just said.

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Yup. But then we need to count in other factors like weight, aerodynamics etc of the two cars too. Unfortunately, no one has done this comparo till date. I have seen baleno blocks mated with twin cam heads, baleno engines put into a zen but never into a swift.
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Ricky, the swift is already running a baleno head (from the factory itself). With a slightly wilder cam profile.
how much wild? specs if any? one can even carry out a simple test by using a swift cam on to a baleno engine. & see how the engine responds.
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