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Old 21st March 2009, 13:00   #166
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those are damn costly.
these ones are based out of germany. just google got racechip.de
had a newsletter from them in the german news daily.
the thing is the injection windows can be prlonged to give more power or torque and a combination of both. torque is the talk of the town[]how does 319nm sound on a verna with just 141ps of power[]
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Old 21st March 2009, 13:18   #167
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Yup I had checked this out earlier,seems similar to the Pete's / P-tronic.The p-tronic costs 520 odd euros(36k INR approx) inclusive of shipping and a 15% discount while the Racechip one costs just 229 euros(16k INR approx),not including shipping.The worrying factor is no local support for India,hence Pete's would be the safest bet for most people.
Anyway it would be really interesting to see a dyno run of a Peted+boosted Elantra.

Edit : The figures for the Verna are just unreal man !!
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Old 21st March 2009, 13:49   #168
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well that is debatable unless a dyno run is done. but yes the VGT unit is capable of such powers none the less.
the petes tuning box on stage two settings does give 137hp as per my understanding how much PS does it translate to??but yes the P-tronic one gives 143hp!! .
it all depends one the fiddling with MI and Poi2.

by the way if anyone has got a KWP2000 unit then they can try their own remapping
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Old 21st March 2009, 13:56   #169
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The rotors are getting over heated very soon under heavy braking. Thus braking efficiency decreases. So upgrading to better rotors that improve cooling efficiency thus improving braking.
Something is wrong here. The Elantra has ABS, so under heavy braking, the pads are not constantly in contact with the disc. Also, the Elantra does have good brakes, unless you're talking about a track-style driving environment. Addedly, you might as well invest in better pads, they'll help you stop quicker. Slotted and driller rotors are just downright dangerous, unless they're from someone really reputed -- Brembo, Stoptech, AP Racing and the like.
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Old 21st March 2009, 13:59   #170
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Hmm..Very interesting.What brand are you guys using for the brake upgrade?
And do keep posting on the turbo upgrade regularly mate.A lot of us non-bangy Elantra guys are getting seriously excited here
Lets wait for Satya's report. It will have all the details in it.

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any of you guys in banglore?? will be in banglore from 29th march to april 10th for a training program.

if possible lets meet up
Sure Sameel. It will be a pleasure to meet you. Once you are in town call me on 9900665757 and I shall fix up a drive or a meet.

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there is a basic thing with bigger turbos. Turbo LAG will be an issue. the best way to eliminate it is to use a two- stage turbo.

the best thing to do would be to get a smaller turbo and try to implement a two stage turbo which will mean no turbo lag at all. ( this will be complicated but not impossible!!)
Twin turbo setup is might complicated and involves a lot of plumbing issues mainly. Then you have the whole issue with upsizing injectors, mapping etc. I don't think we Indians have yet gotten that far in modifying. For now a single turbo setup it is.

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Anyway it would be really interesting to see a dyno run of a Peted+boosted Elantra.
I am working on this. Lets see how it pans out.

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by the way if anyone has got a KWP2000 unit then they can try their own remapping
I know someone who is planning to do this very soon .

Akshay, the problem is not with the brake pads its with the rotors. And the rotors are from a reputed company, can't reveal the names as yet as they are in the process of starting to market their products in India.

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Old 21st March 2009, 15:33   #171
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sure will buzz you
and about the dyno run. heard that good ol Peter is getting his own Dyno
and by the way what is the details on the KWP2000 unit.
pretty simple set-up but make sure you guys know which parameter to alter!

just make sure. none of the DRY running patterns are altered. its the basic thing that ensures actuators are set to off! if the engine is made to run in overload! ( this is what all the mod chip manufacturers call as fail safe mechanism) the ground rule is 20-40% gain for the mod-chip( tuning box) because only some signals to ECU input can be altered( mainly amplification and widening of input pulse signal! ) but in a Remap 40-45% with stage 1 seting no need of moding internals. here the whole set of parametrs can be changed( not the fooling the ecu with false inputs. the actual input signal is altered from source.!)

anyways the guys doing this will be tech jargons whoam i kidding huh lolz.
all the best for that. need any helps feel free to ask.
and yeah hoping to meet hellstar time time..
and hey is this the KWP2000 unit which will be used?
the one used off the diagnostic socket( aka OBD socket under the steering in case of verna?? not sure of the elantra.) this would mean that the actual series ECU will be used. its bit risky since the actual ECU code if lost, then coming back to stock will be a nightmare!

the best bet would be to get another ECU roughly 10-15k rs. better yet try to get one from a crashed and written off elantra hehe.
and then remap like you desire and hook this ECU in. most probably the elantra will be having a EDC15C2 series ECU which can be handled by the KWP2000
read and write is possible.

and yes any ideas on how to get the remapped codes??
there is a real hard way to do it. reverse engineering.
read the original ECU hex and create a DCM file from it. using INCA if you guys have it.
and search for the _C paramaters which you guys want to change. and change them to desired value. just a proper understanding of the EDC15 Progrmmers Docu is enough you guys will know.
dont ask me that thing has all the parameters written in german!!

EDC15 is speed based. and EDC16 is torque based. in EDC17 everything is in english.
EDC15C2 is used in 1.5CRDI accent and the Elantra2.0 CRDI and the tuscon.
just one thing please dont do anything that will fry the ECU see if the ECU has a boot sector if it does then it will be a safe bet to try something crazy. lolz.
still try to get the remapped files first.

the basic technic is to alter the FMTC and Energization maps!
these two work in a closed loop system.
the Feul Mass Torque Converstion Maps gives an output which is taken as the input for the Valve energization Maps! and yes the Input for the FMTC maps are the Driver deamnd and the ETS(engine torque structure) paramters.

the funda is the driver input say 200Nm torque is required, at the wheels.
so the ETS takes into account the losses at different stages. namely (Engine-flywheel -clutch-transmission-drivetrain) let this be "X"Nm( this is always as % of total torque produced i.e it depends on Y also!) and addtional torque requirements like the ABS unit, AC unit, Different motors and pumps! let this be 'Y" Nm and gives an input to the FMTC to
energize the valves so as to give 200 NM + Y torque after a loss of X nm torque. meaning the E-map should be to produce 200+X+Y Nm of torque

so keep in mind to get a 20% increase in output, the simply changing the FMTC map to have all the parametrs amplified by a factor of .2 will imply that the E-Map will be given input to produce 1.2(200Nm)+.2XNm + .2YNm torque which is useless and dangerous as Y is a constant! and X changes as a % of the total torque produced!. meaning just to achieve a 20% increase in output we cant go about changing everything into 1.2 times!
this is why no one fiddles with the FMTC maps.

its a bit confusing i know but still this is how it is. haha.
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Old 23rd March 2009, 11:42   #172
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any of you guys in banglore?? will be in banglore from 29th march to april 10th for a training program.
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We can have meet on sunday but will be even more fun if you can make it on saturday night so that we can go for night drive. Let us know.
You can join us for track day aswell, its on 5th april.

I guess there will be lot of discussions on improving performance, be prepared.
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satya, we are waiting for your report and btw just saw a boost controller for sale on classifieds section, but its an older version of Greddy I guess as there is no digital display. Neverthless, will it be compatible on the elantra?
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i can make it for the track day. whats the plan?? am rideless one thing! and next got office on monday! and yeah saturday night if its on 4th april its ok. lolz. will be in banglore only. hehe.

ever since my freak accident! am banned by my folks for long drives! my profile pic is a souvenir. haha.

leavin cochin on 28th night KPN. keeping my fingers crossed after reading about these operators on another thread! and going back on 10th night 8.30 by Kallada again fingers crossed

hope to see you guys this time around!
and hey no probs will clear all doubts i can. if not i will get back with the clarification ASAP
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just saw a boost controller for sale on classifieds section, but its an older version of Greddy I guess as there is no digital display. Neverthless, will it be compatible on the elantra?
It should work if it is Greddy Profec B Spec, But i would always prefer a digital display.

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I can make it for the track day. whats the plan?? am rideless one thing! and next got office on monday!
Not a problem you can join us.

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yeah saturday night if its on 4th april its ok. lolz. will be in banglore only. hehe.
I mean to say 28th night, anyway as you are leaving cochin on 28th then no point.
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Old 24th March 2009, 21:18   #176
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I guess, its almost useless if you dont have a digital display as you cant set to the desired boost level.
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