Santro: Return spring for Accelerator and brake pedal? - Team-BHP

ajith · 31st March 2008, 08:14

Hi All,

I own a 4 year old Santro Xing. Having driven an Indica recently I realized the need to add a return spring to the accelerator and the brake pedals to reduce the strain on my ankle when driving long distances. Having looked at the brackets for the pedals, i couldn't think of a simple way to fit one. If somebody has done this before, i would appreciate some photographs of the mod so i can plan one accordingly.

Ajith

Jaggu · 31st March 2008, 11:20

are you sure it doesnt have one in the first place? I think that all cars have em, might be hidden thats all.

ajith · 31st March 2008, 11:41

Will post pics of what the existing setup looks like later today when i can get to the camera. There is one. It is just piddly and they haven't included room there for anything stronger.

Jaggu · 31st March 2008, 13:13

That can be true, they have kept it piddly to make the clutch pedal light to actuate.

Options you can try:
add one more of the piddly springs.
source a better spring.
add another spring at the gear box end on the clutch cable.

ram_hyundai · 31st March 2008, 15:33

If you have a tighter spring it wont be comfortable for you to drive as the force required to push it would be more.So just check for the original spring and its tension and if its worn out replace it.
ram

ajith · 31st March 2008, 16:17

The spring is so weak that i am spending too much energy to hold my feet in the air. It has always been that way.

Jaggu, I am ok with the clutch. It is the accelerator and the brake pedals that i have trouble with.
Though not an option for the brakes, I did consider adding a spring at the other end for the accelerator cable. However, this would be an unnecessary strain on the control cable. Will only go that way if i can't avoid it.
Let me get those pics. I am sure that would be better than explaining.

Sankar · 31st March 2008, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajith

The spring is so weak that i am spending too much energy to hold my feet in the air. It has always been that way.

Oh! So thats the problem.. hehehe

Well a super strong spring with enough strength to support the weight of your leg would be a bad idea because then you would have lower leg & knee pain trying to push the throttle.

And ideally one should not rest the leg on the throttle. Rest your heel on the floor and use the toes to dab the throttle. That way you won't feel the strain of having to hold your feet in the air.

ajith · 1st April 2008, 12:14

Here are some pics of what it is like currently
ajith_k/Santro Pedals - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

ajith · 1st April 2008, 12:18

The promised pics.

Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket

Jaggu · 1st April 2008, 12:44

did u weld and extend the acc pedal by any chance???? i would say bad idea, your pedal seem to be at too horizontal an angle for comfort, it should be more vertical so that toe end part of your foot stays on the pedal and heel rests on the floor.

As far as tightening the existing set up, i suggest you try tempering the spring (careful it can break also, so carry a spare in hand)

On second thought, try increasing the load on spring by bending the lever.

Also you can try a diff pedal design, similar to those in Fiats (1100) where the pedal rests on the floor and the top end can move the throttle lever.

ram_hyundai · 1st April 2008, 12:56

I am sure the pedals of santro is not this horizontal.It maybe due to the photo angle or some one has played with it.Or did you slam it that hard buddie,lol.
ram

svsantosh · 1st April 2008, 13:06

ajit, before you get into body work and welding, try some sedans, eg- TATA cars are built like a truck, try some springs from those cars clutch pedals, and try to fit them in your accelarator pedals, may work, you never know. Well if you want to go more extreme, try to get a Enfield Bullet's Center Stand Srping and take your santro;s mechanic to help you out. Any of the idea;s above may not cost you more than 50-100Rs. PS - both car and bike parts are easily available in JC road, Bangalore.

ajith · 1st April 2008, 14:44

Jaggu, they are totally stock. No modifications. The camera is nearly at floor level. The Tata car springs are straight unlike the circular springs you see here.

Jaggu · 1st April 2008, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajith

Jaggu, they are totally stock. No modifications. The camera is nearly at floor level. The Tata car springs are straight unlike the circular springs you see here.

post a 3 D image

What are those weld job/mark then, did that came with the car?

ajith · 1st April 2008, 17:34

yeah. not very pretty eh?

31st March 2008, 08:14	#1 (permalink)
ajith Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India Posts: 15	Santro: Return spring for Accelerator and brake pedal? Hi All, I own a 4 year old Santro Xing. Having driven an Indica recently I realized the need to add a return spring to the accelerator and the brake pedals to reduce the strain on my ankle when driving long distances. Having looked at the brackets for the pedals, i couldn't think of a simple way to fit one. If somebody has done this before, i would appreciate some photographs of the mod so i can plan one accordingly. Ajith

31st March 2008, 11:20	#2 (permalink)
Jaggu Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,633	are you sure it doesnt have one in the first place? I think that all cars have em, might be hidden thats all. __________________ The strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to tell the difference. -Calvin

31st March 2008, 13:13	#4 (permalink)
Jaggu Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,633	That can be true, they have kept it piddly to make the clutch pedal light to actuate. Options you can try: add one more of the piddly springs. source a better spring. add another spring at the gear box end on the clutch cable. __________________ The strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to tell the difference. -Calvin

31st March 2008, 15:33	#5 (permalink)
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: trivandrum,alleppey Posts: 1,565 View My Garage	If you have a tighter spring it wont be comfortable for you to drive as the force required to push it would be more.So just check for the original spring and its tension and if its worn out replace it. ram __________________ *Become MAD SOON and join the MON SOON Drive.* *one more from me-* *hey MAN come SOON for the MONSOON drive*

1st April 2008, 12:44	#10 (permalink)
Jaggu Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,633	did u weld and extend the acc pedal by any chance???? i would say bad idea, your pedal seem to be at too horizontal an angle for comfort, it should be more vertical so that toe end part of your foot stays on the pedal and heel rests on the floor. As far as tightening the existing set up, i suggest you try tempering the spring (careful it can break also, so carry a spare in hand) On second thought, try increasing the load on spring by bending the lever. Also you can try a diff pedal design, similar to those in Fiats (1100) where the pedal rests on the floor and the top end can move the throttle lever. __________________ The strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to tell the difference. -Calvin Last edited by Jaggu : 1st April 2008 at 12:55.

31st March 2008, 11:41	#3 (permalink)
ajith Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India Posts: 15	Will post pics of what the existing setup looks like later today when i can get to the camera. There is one. It is just piddly and they haven't included room there for anything stronger.

31st March 2008, 16:17	#6 (permalink)
ajith Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India Posts: 15	The spring is so weak that i am spending too much energy to hold my feet in the air. It has always been that way. Jaggu, I am ok with the clutch. It is the accelerator and the brake pedals that i have trouble with. Though not an option for the brakes, I did consider adding a spring at the other end for the accelerator cable. However, this would be an unnecessary strain on the control cable. Will only go that way if i can't avoid it. Let me get those pics. I am sure that would be better than explaining.

1st April 2008, 12:14	#8 (permalink)
ajith Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India Posts: 15	Here are some pics of what it is like currently ajith_k/Santro Pedals - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

1st April 2008, 12:18	#9 (permalink)
ajith Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India Posts: 15	The promised pics. Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket

1st April 2008, 12:56	#11 (permalink)
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: trivandrum,alleppey Posts: 1,565 View My Garage	I am sure the pedals of santro is not this horizontal.It maybe due to the photo angle or some one has played with it.Or did you slam it that hard buddie,lol. ram __________________ *Become MAD SOON and join the MON SOON Drive.* *one more from me-* *hey MAN come SOON for the MONSOON drive*

1st April 2008, 13:06	#12 (permalink)
svsantosh BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: bangalore Posts: 441 View My Garage	ajit, before you get into body work and welding, try some sedans, eg- TATA cars are built like a truck, try some springs from those cars clutch pedals, and try to fit them in your accelarator pedals, may work, you never know. Well if you want to go more extreme, try to get a Enfield Bullet's Center Stand Srping and take your santro;s mechanic to help you out. Any of the idea;s above may not cost you more than 50-100Rs. PS - both car and bike parts are easily available in JC road, Bangalore. __________________ Dont wear Helmets & Seatbelts to reach Heaven Faster You hardly have any time left in this world to be a sinner

1st April 2008, 14:44	#13 (permalink)
ajith Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India Posts: 15	Jaggu, they are totally stock. No modifications. The camera is nearly at floor level. The Tata car springs are straight unlike the circular springs you see here.

1st April 2008, 17:34	#15 (permalink)
ajith Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India Posts: 15	yeah. not very pretty eh?

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