Palio Brake Upgrade

carfreak · 12th December 2008, 18:27

Hi moralfibre i just took my car from the service station.this is the old tvs service station in udupi-it now services all cars and not only fiats after tata took over the service of fiats.but they still do a better job than the tata-fiat service centre.

The mechanic was honest enough to say he had no idea about it as he had not yet done such a job in the past.he said we can try it out,but as Red pointed out it would mean i have to purchase the whole kit and take it to him which would mean waste of money if it is a failure!!

RedMM340 · 13th December 2008, 11:31

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Originally Posted by maverick030581

Hi Red,

As already mentioned upgrading the entire braking system to Wilwoods and the like will be an expensive proposition.There is another thread on upgrading brakes which mentions better brake pads like Green,don't know if they are available for the Palio though.Check with N1 or better yet check with Autopsyche,he would be the best person to guide you I guess.

Wilwood has nothing for the Palio.

Nor does EBC , red, yellow, or green. I have tried to match up the Palio pad with everything in the EBC catalog with no luck.

Who is N1 ?

I have checked with Arush at Autopsyche doe not have anything for the Palio either.

maverick030581 · 15th December 2008, 09:14

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Originally Posted by cyneverdie

Hey man , doubt their website would help , 9821221791 - Anant from N1's no - he's a nice helpful guy try him out , feel free to tell him where you got his number from.
But , your from delhi - autopsyche can't help you??

@Red - N1 engg Mumbai.All the best mate.

nim_peter · 27th January 2009, 19:17

Hello!! Any updates on the topic

I'm having a tough time with the brakes in my Palio GTX. I just did a complete servicing on the brakes with a change in brake pads and everything, and it hasn't helped much.. Could someone suggest a good option to improve the braking in Palio as I'm playing with fire everytime I brake at speeds beyond 100 kmph..

viper · 28th January 2009, 07:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedMM340

Wilwood has nothing for the Palio.

Nor does EBC , red, yellow, or green. I have tried to match up the Palio pad with everything in the EBC catalog with no luck.

Hi,

Both Wilwood & D2 Racing have solutions for all cars. Its just a matter of knowing what to order.

Viper

carfreak · 28th January 2009, 19:51

Guys am not good at technical stuff but can these front discs work on indian palios?the website mentions it will on the 1.6

OMP 257.5mm Front Brake Discs FIAT PALIO & WEEKEND 1.6 on eBay, also, Fiat, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 07-Feb-09 15:35:34 GMT)

RedMM340 · 2nd February 2009, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by viper

Hi,

Both Wilwood & D2 Racing have solutions for all cars. Its just a matter of knowing what to order.

Viper

No they do not have solutions for "all cars".

But, since you seem to be the expert on 'knowing what to order', please do post the appropriate parts for the Palio brakes.

viper · 2nd February 2009, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedMM340

No they do not have solutions for "all cars".

But, since you seem to be the expert on 'knowing what to order', please do post the appropriate parts for the Palio brakes.

Hi,

Am sorry I offended your superior knowledge. To the best of my knowledge they do and am just making people aware of the same.

I have no interest in arguing with you or anyone else on the forum.

Viper

nitrous · 2nd February 2009, 11:16

Personally, Unless a part is specifically designed for a car, I wouldn't mix and match different car parts on a certain car. Because Most times when parts are almost the same,the difference in design shows up under slightly spirited usage and becomes a problem and just money down the drain.

viper · 2nd February 2009, 11:21

Nitrous,

True to an extent. But for eg if the PCD is the only problem and that car is not listed you can always use a disc from another car with the same pcd & size without any issues.

Viper

carfreak · 12th February 2009, 18:22

Guys has anyone gone through the link i posted?they are replacement brakes for the palio 1.6.not sure if they will work for india

RedMM340 · 15th February 2009, 03:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by carfreak

Guys has anyone gone through the link i posted?they are replacement brakes for the palio 1.6.not sure if they will work for india

Carfreak,

I looked at the link that you posted, and I am not sure that these brake discs will offer much of a benefit over stock ones.

Slotted and/or cross-drilled rotors may help in high performance applications where disc overheating is an issue. But this does not seem to be the problem for the Palio. The Palio needs brake pads with a higher coefficient of friction. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any aftermarket pads.

As I have posted earlier, my conclusion for living with the Palio brakes is to maintain them meticulously. This means resurfacing the rotors, using the best quality brake pads available through Fiat, making sure that the caliper pins are not sticking, flushing new DOT 4 brake fluid, and do the same for the rear brakes.

Regards,

ravikn · 23rd February 2009, 16:08

Hi Guys,

Am looking out for a brake liner(rear wheel - drum) for my 1.6 GTX(with ABS). was told by the dealer that brake liner for ABS is different from the other ones. Is this true?

He also told me that it is hard to get brake liner for the ABS type. I tried calling up concorde motors in bangalore and they seem to be not aware of this and said they will check.

I need to do this at the earliest possible as without changing the liner it seems like not possible to take it for a drive in city/long drives

Please help

carfreak · 23rd February 2009, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedMM340

Carfreak,

I looked at the link that you posted, and I am not sure that these brake discs will offer much of a benefit over stock ones.

Slotted and/or cross-drilled rotors may help in high performance applications where disc overheating is an issue. But this does not seem to be the problem for the Palio. The Palio needs brake pads with a higher coefficient of friction. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any aftermarket pads.

As I have posted earlier, my conclusion for living with the Palio brakes is to maintain them meticulously. This means resurfacing the rotors, using the best quality brake pads available through Fiat, making sure that the caliper pins are not sticking, flushing new DOT 4 brake fluid, and do the same for the rear brakes.

Regards,

Er, how do you re-surface the rotors?and the brake pads that are used for the 1.6 will do right?actually i didnt understand what you meant by using the best quality brake pads!!

How frequently to do all this?as per manufacturer specifications or more frequently?

regards

rupinder · 9th May 2009, 19:21

hello friends i have a fiat petra 1.6 done 83000km .now i also find its braking little weak. got my regular service done and the bite has improved a little but still not upto the mark .i got the brake pads changed last year.
what can be done to improve the braking .
do u know of any after marked brake pads which are better than oem.
when does one need to change the brake discs .or drum linning changed

12th December 2008, 18:27	#31
carfreak BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Udupi Posts: 490 Thanked: 22 Times	Hi moralfibre i just took my car from the service station.this is the old tvs service station in udupi-it now services all cars and not only fiats after tata took over the service of fiats.but they still do a better job than the tata-fiat service centre. The mechanic was honest enough to say he had no idea about it as he had not yet done such a job in the past.he said we can try it out,but as Red pointed out it would mean i have to purchase the whole kit and take it to him which would mean waste of money if it is a failure!!
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27th January 2009, 19:17	#34
nim_peter BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 80 Thanked: 18 Times	Hello!! Any updates on the topic I'm having a tough time with the brakes in my Palio GTX. I just did a complete servicing on the brakes with a change in brake pads and everything, and it hasn't helped much.. Could someone suggest a good option to improve the braking in Palio as I'm playing with fire everytime I brake at speeds beyond 100 kmph..
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28th January 2009, 19:51	#36
carfreak BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Udupi Posts: 490 Thanked: 22 Times	Guys am not good at technical stuff but can these front discs work on indian palios?the website mentions it will on the 1.6 OMP 257.5mm Front Brake Discs FIAT PALIO & WEEKEND 1.6 on eBay, also, Fiat, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 07-Feb-09 15:35:34 GMT)
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2nd February 2009, 11:16	#39
nitrous Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: London / Madras Posts: 6,850 Thanked: 150 Times View My Garage	Personally, Unless a part is specifically designed for a car, I wouldn't mix and match different car parts on a certain car. Because Most times when parts are almost the same,the difference in design shows up under slightly spirited usage and becomes a problem and just money down the drain. Last edited by nitrous : 2nd February 2009 at 11:26.
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2nd February 2009, 11:21	#40
viper BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,773 Thanked: 5 Times	Nitrous, True to an extent. But for eg if the PCD is the only problem and that car is not listed you can always use a disc from another car with the same pcd & size without any issues. Viper
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12th February 2009, 18:22	#41
carfreak BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Udupi Posts: 490 Thanked: 22 Times	Guys has anyone gone through the link i posted?they are replacement brakes for the palio 1.6.not sure if they will work for india
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23rd February 2009, 16:08	#43
ravikn BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 329 Thanked: 10 Times	Hi Guys, Am looking out for a brake liner(rear wheel - drum) for my 1.6 GTX(with ABS). was told by the dealer that brake liner for ABS is different from the other ones. Is this true? He also told me that it is hard to get brake liner for the ABS type. I tried calling up concorde motors in bangalore and they seem to be not aware of this and said they will check. I need to do this at the earliest possible as without changing the liner it seems like not possible to take it for a drive in city/long drives Please help
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9th May 2009, 19:21	#45
rupinder BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ludhiana Posts: 197 Thanked: 3 Times	hello friends i have a fiat petra 1.6 done 83000km .now i also find its braking little weak. got my regular service done and the bite has improved a little but still not upto the mark .i got the brake pads changed last year. what can be done to improve the braking . do u know of any after marked brake pads which are better than oem. when does one need to change the brake discs .or drum linning changed
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