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Old 2nd August 2008, 14:42   #1
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i own a 05 tata safari petrol 4x4 which has clocked around 50k kms.
with the rising cost of fuel i am finding it diffucult to use the vehicle for my long distance travel.(expeditions)
i want to change the engine to a diesel one and retain the 4x4.
i would appreciate it if i get a few suggestions as to which engine to use
1) it has to be a diesel
2) it should be able to carry the weight of the safari & cruise at 140 kmph
3) should have enough torque to get the suv out off sticky situations
4) the spares for the engine should be easily avaliable &
5) my budget for the engine transplant & reconditioning of the engine is 1.5 lac

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Try finding an old Dicor 3.0 engine.as finding an old 2.2 engine is a remote possibility.

Also,ask TASS how much it would cost to buy new

though i'm not fully sure of the transplant
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hi sunny
the thought of an old dicor engine did cross my mind but unfortunately i find it underpowered. a new engine from tata costs around 3L so out of my budget. i actually am thinking of a toyota 4.2 landcruiser engine ( dont know if it will fit in the engine bay though)
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sankey12, Tata has this "reconditioned engines program" which are cheaper and more reliable since they come with limited warranty too.
However I would not suggest a "engine transplant" vehicle for expeditions.
If you have CNG/LPG access you can go for such a mod, and have partial fuel savings.
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Even if you decide to swap in a diesel you might want to keep the petrol in storage. If there is an energy crunch you will then have 2 options to choose from. I think the petrol engine will tend to be more flexible and adaptable to a new fuel because of the spark ignition whereas a diesel is rather limited in the fuels it can use due to it's high compression and compression ignition. Saying this does not make me happy because I prefer diesels generally.

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This is your best bet, its called Recon Aggregates, but available only under exchange of old engine.

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sankey12, Tata has this "reconditioned engines program" which are cheaper and more reliable since they come with limited warranty too.
However I would not suggest a "engine transplant" vehicle for expeditions.
If you have CNG/LPG access you can go for such a mod, and have partial fuel savings.
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use the safari for weekends only!
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Only problem is that the Tata Recon Engines do not seem to have DiCOR as an option. And sanket12 has already said that he is not interested in the TC engine of the old Safari.

Sanket, I still think you should enquire with Tata. They may very well have a DiCOR option by now as this page probably did not get an update in a century. If you do get that you will be pretty happy looking at the costs at which these are offered. And with the money you save you may very well be able to do something that jyobeb did with the Safari to overcome all your inhibitions.

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The price mentioned on the site is 50% 60% of the New. So For Eg: Price of indica engine exchange is Rs.29765/-. Does that conclude that new indica engine is just Rs. 59350.?

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i got in touch with the regional office in pune yesterday. they said they will let me know the price of the new vvti engine by tuesday and also if they have any salvage engines at any of their dealership. Their techinical advisor told me that the engine swap is possible but i would also have to change the gearbox & the front & rear diffrentials.
could someone please tell me if its really necessary to change the gearbox & teh differentials.
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could someone please tell me if its really necessary to change the gearbox & teh differentials.
Dont know about the Petrol Safari, but the GB for the old Dicors is pretty much the same except for the first gear ratio. DIFFERENTIALS???? Have they actually changed differentials for the 2.2?????????????? I really doubt it, but then we dont have the specifications to check.
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...could someone please tell me if its really necessary to change the gearbox & teh differentials.

I think you definitely need to change the differentials, since the ratios will be different for the petrol and diesel (usually diesels have a lower rated engine RPM than petrols).

Dont know why they are suggesting a GB change as well???

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Check if you can find a used Toyota 3.x Ltr diesel engines used in Hilux models. Will be a good fit and problem free. You'll be able to use most of the Qualis engine parts.
The next option is Isuzu. They also have some good 3l engines which are proven for their reliability. Parts may not be as easy as a Toyota though.
You can also search for a Terracan diesel engine. But being a Hyundai, it will always have it's negative points.
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hey,,did you find out the cost for 2.2 dicor?
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Guys,

Conversion from petrol to diesel is illegal in most states now. So your better bet might be to do an LPG conversion

My $.02

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