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Old 12th September 2008, 14:18   #16
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So a stock Skoda RS makes only 125bhp!!!
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Old 12th September 2008, 14:24   #17
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Karthik,

I think a stock RS should be making about 120 HP(at wheels). Wish some more people with remapped cars or tuning boxes come forward so that all claims can be proven and once and all settled as true or false.

Cars like Swift with pete's box, Innova, diesel skoda's, verna crdi's etc. I assume 2 runs can be made back to back as the box could be disconnected in 1st run and then reconnected for the 2nd. Please correct me if wrong.

This would put an end to all speculation.

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The stock Skoda RS dynograph put up by KS shows 124.6bhp as the peak power which means its ~125bhp at the wheels rite...?? So maybe the engine is really puttin out 150bhp at the crank... Or am i wrong??
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May be thats correct, 150 at crank karthik. Just in general how many guys must have done this remap thing on their vehicles? Hey viper or karan any idea??
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May be thats correct, 150 at crank karthik. Just in general how many guys must have done this remap thing on their vehicles? Hey viper or karan any idea??
Hi,

Yup those figures look accurate. Dont know about remaps(maybe 10-12 for sure in Mumbai in Skodas alone) but tuning boxes would be in dozens. These figures are for Mumbai alone. Guess Peter would be the best person to clarify

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i don't know whether this is normal and whether it's been mentioned on the thread already, but it looks like at 1500-2000rpm, you are getting barely 25bhp, 2500 50bhp and barely 75 at 3000 rpm which is where you'll spend alot of time in the city. would that be a problem indicating lack of bottom end or is this normal?
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The bottom end is pretty bad in the Skoda RS... but guess its that way with all turbo charged cars.. You'll really have to shove the accelerator if u wanna get the car moving on an incline.. But once the turbo kicks in, away u go!!!!
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Hey akshay,

Its 169hp, so that would mean 195BHP......may be u are reading some thing wrong brother

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bro, in the first post you mentioned 170hp = 196bhp. i just calculated on the bhp. my bad if ive made errors.
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Here we have
1) Stock RS
2) Monkeys Stage1 Remap
3) Stage 2 with upgraded turbo

Modded Skoda RS Dyno Graph-skoda3in1.jpg

Monkeys remapped RS has seen torque increase at around 3500 rpm same where as stock RS has created its peak torque, after that the stock RS the torque goes linearly till about 5K rpm & around 5250 rpm the torque & Hp line crosses each other, though monkeys graph is not as linear as stock especially between 4K-4.5K rpm there's a slight jump in torque & power, but the interesting part in both the graph is the Hp/Trq lines crosses each other same at around 5250 RPM.
If a stock map can give such linear output then a remapped version should also give output but with more power. i assume the conditions of both engines in all factors are equal. so i think its got to do with the MAP.

This Remaps are created in different country, in different environment (weather/temperature) conditions,different quality of fuel.

what is required here is to create a new map for Remap purpose here with in India, in Indian climatic conditions, using indian fuel, A new Remap created here will be better for indian RS with much smoother curve than those readymade one's available abroad.

Coming to 3 rd graph
Looks like the scaling is incorrect,most of the graphs and the above stock RS & stage1 Graphs starts reading from 3K rpm onwards, but the 3rd graph is reading from 1300 rpm onwards its kinda confusing and gives an altogether different impression.
stage 1 RS revs comfortably till 6700 rpm but the 3rd graph the power is dropping past 5250 rpm.
If he's got a big turbo then as per the graph either he has got a wrong turbo or there is something which is choking up somewhere,could be anything intercooler, intake/exhaust restriction, compressor inefficiency, thus a stage 2 or 3 map will not be that effective if you have any of the above mentioned problem. plus the maps are not created here.
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Here we have
1) Stock RS
2) Monkeys Stage1 Remap
If you've noticed, whp is about 17% less than crank hp in 1 -- 125 whp and 150 chp. In 2, whp is about 19% less than crank hp -- 145 whp and 180 chp. That's about right, if you ask me, considering they're different cars on different days.


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but the interesting part in both the graph is the Hp/Trq lines crosses each other same at around 5250 RPM.
Any hp/torque graph will intersect at 5252 rpm. Mathematical fact.
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This is the graph of Gautams TIC (E'ting else Stock) tuned RS, with high 11's of AFR on top end, just to feel safe. We got to this after a few road test while logging afr and boost. The car was tuned knock free with 91 octane petrol so we had to sacrifice a bit on power. Lot of emphasis was given to the bottom end to make it nice n peppy for the street. The by product of all this was better FE by a 1km per litre in the city.
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what is required here is to create a new map for Remap purpose here with in India, in Indian climatic conditions, using indian fuel, A new Remap created here will be better for indian RS with much smoother curve than those readymade one's available abroad.
I gotta admit, I am not convinced on most remaps offered in India included the ones from Pete's. Have also seen firsthand of the nightmare that Monkey had to go through to get his remap working properly.

I love Pete's diesel power boxes but won't really recommend the remaps. Period.
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I love Pete's diesel power boxes but won't really recommend the remaps. Period.
I think we are too early and too small for the remap world. Look whats happening at briskoda. big companies stuff do have problems, but it also depends on the car you are doing it. Hardware problem also plays a bit of a role. My view its not fair enough for any company to open a R&D for 30-40 cars being remapped a year. This is reason why many good companies like REVO or APR are unwillingly to offer and also the pricing wont be encouraging..

By the way brembo is in india, any one knows abt pricing??
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Actually how much power a car really makes depends from car to car ,espicially turbo charged cars.
I think the only solution to this argument would be for pete to dyno a car before and after a remap,on the same day itself ,and als the car should be the same
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I drive a remapped (by Petes) Octy. Don't know the actual figures but I'm extremely satisfied. No complaints whatsoever. Car is MUCH MUCH faster than stock.
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