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Old 3rd October 2008, 13:01   #1
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Default Gypsy engine swapping with Baleno 1.6L engine ?

Is it possible to swap the gypsy engine to that of a Baleno 1.6L engine ? Can the chassis take 1.6L ? The gypsy in question has 1.1 mpfi engine. What other modifications will be necessary if it's possible to swap the engine? Can someone please help me out.
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Is it possible to swap the gypsy engine to that of a Baleno 1.6L engine ? Can the chassis take 1.6L ?
One of our Mumbai TBHPians has done this, I guess. You can check the thread http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-of...ason-08-a.html of pdev29, for more details.

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...The gypsy in question has 1.1 mpfi engine. ..
1.1 MPFI engine ???
This is an already modified Gypsy? Which engine is this : the earlier Alto's ?
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The gypsy in question has 1.1 mpfi engine.
It's not 1.3?? The Esteem unit?
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I'm not sure as this Gypsy belongs to a friend of mine and he has told me that it's 1.1L mpfi. I guess may be he was wrong and it's 1.3L.
Thanks for the link BlueThunder, so that means it's possible. now would like to know about the technicalities involved.
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where are you planning to get this done BTW? the car is in bangy right?
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Yup, the car in question is in Bangy only. And BTW it's for a friend of mine who is planning this but he is not very sure if it can be actually done and hence he asked me to ask for opinion here. So we are not sure where and when to do it, but my friend seems to be very much interested to try this.
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i am guessing only the engine mounts have to be modified to reduce the height but not sure about the gypsy mounting.

when he is swapping it ask him to make sure on a important part some guys who do these swaps weld the gap holes from the 13b gearbox to make it fit on the 16b there is a gap in the gear box ask him not to do that.

instead ask him to get the bell housing of the g16b and mate it to the g13b gear box.

the swap can be done.
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Wouldn't it be a challenge mating a FWD engine to RWD / 4x4? And you better get the engine mounting correct. Last thing you need in the middle of nowhere is a dislocated engine!
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Baleno engines have been transplanted into Gypsy successfully. No issues once fitted right. Do not know too much about the techy side of it, but works well & am told it is not problematic.



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Thanks Pawan for the info, will inform my friend.
Yeah GTO, I hope the work need to be done with a expert.
Thanks Ricky, any idea if it's done in Bangalore?

Infact any TBHPian from Bangalore have tried it?
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I want to do the same too. I've got a 1.3L Carb engine in my Gypsy. I want to put a Baleno 1.6L. What all modifications might be needed? And if possible a cost estimate too.

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Kaushik,

Baleno engine can be easily mated to Gypsy platform and the chassis is strong enough to take load of engine. I was initially interested in Baleno or Gypsy King engine, which were literally not available. Hence, settled down for Isuzu 1800 cc engine.

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Kaushik,

Baleno engine can be easily mated to Gypsy platform and the chassis is strong enough to take load of engine. I was initially interested in Baleno or Gypsy King engine, which were literally not available. Hence, settled down for Isuzu 1800 cc engine.

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Well yes the Isuzu 1800 cc engine also gets mated with the Gypsy gearbox etc and also retains the 4WD. But, this year in the Desert Storm there was a Gypsy which was having the same config, and the driver was complaining about the extra weight of the 1800 cc engine. Someone else also was saying that the engine is about 40-50 odd kgs more heavier than the 1300 original engine and thus makes the vehicle front heavy. I'm not very knowledgeable in this field and I'm only repeating what was told to me by those people who've been into Gypsy's for a long time. What are your views about that?? Is your Gypsy mated with the 5-speed GB or the older 410's 4-speed GB?

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Anirban,

your citing is correct. Isuzu 1800 cc engine and gearbox will add a weight of atleast 50 kgs to the overall weight. Racing gypsies will have drag because of weight. But the power output from the same engine and gearbox should compensate the performance. Usually more power.

My gypsy is mated with 5+1 speed gearbox of Isuzu make.

I keep my fingers crossed and hope for good performance and maintenance.

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Baleno engines have been transplanted into Gypsy successfully. No issues once fitted right.
Can 4WD be retained after the engine swap? Or will the gypsy be a 2WD?
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