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Old 11th February 2016, 20:35   #106
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Online VW troubleshooting documentation indicates this can be done through VCDS, but you'll need to know your immobilizer's PIN. Your dealer can also do it but will probably refuse unless you buy the key from them too.

Here's one link with detailed instructions, includes an embedded YouTube video. You'll need someone well-versed with using VCDS to do this.
And obviously they aren't willing to do it if i don't get the key from them.

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My sister's driver lost the key to her Polo. So the VW guys replaced the ignition key assembly and gave her 2 new keys. (Manual). Charged her 8k.


Next day the driver found it on top of his water tank.
That is some annoying way to smoke 8k for sure
8k seems to be a realistic price atleast instead of what VW had quoted me earlier for my jetta.

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Look up key masters in Team Bhp directory and ask them if they can make a duplicate key etc. They managed to make my Civic's key in 30 mins flat with remote for around 3k.
Thanks! Got one which is hardly 10 minutes away from my place, Will give them a call next week and see how it goes, I hope they can do it for a Jetta.
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Old 11th July 2016, 17:28   #107
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Guys, need some urgent help.
I lost my main key for Honda Jazz (the one with the remote).
I am using the duplicate one without the remote and it is an absolute pain.

I checked with Honda service center.
They quoted 8K for a new key with remote. Also, they will need 10-15 days time.
They also mentioned that the new key along with my current duplicate key will be reprogrammed so that the old one (the one I lost) can never be used to start the car.
I find 8K to be very very expensive for such a small thing.

I checked with some local key-makers. They are quoting around 4K for the same.
But they are not sure about whether the old key (lost one) will continue to work or not.
They just said that the new one will be programmed as per my current duplicate key so that everything works fine.
It seems that in some cars, if 2 keys are programmed, the 3rd one will not work.
So, the old one which I lost will not work if this is true but I am not sure.

Now, if Honda is really offering better security, then it probably makes sense to spend the extra 4K for peace of mind. What do you guys suggest?

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Old 11th July 2016, 18:45   #108
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Bottom-line, please spend the extra money at HASS and get it done right. This is not a paint job or tinkering we're talking about, its the security of your car.

Also, are you changing the actual door/ignition locks? The key programming is limited to the immobilizer that will prevent the car being started/stolen, but what about someone being able to physically enter the car using the lost key? Does the HASS estimate of 8k cover that also?

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But they are not sure about whether the old key (lost one) will continue to work or not. They just said that the new one will be programmed as per my current duplicate key so that everything works fine. It seems that in some cars, if 2 keys are programmed, the 3rd one will not work. So, the old one which I lost will not work if this is true but I am not sure.
Cars typically allow more than just 2 keys to be programmed. For example, the EcoSport supports up to 8 keys, according to Ford.

So, unless your owner's manual explicitly states that only 2 keys can be programmed, I'd not believe what the outside key makers told you. FWIW, I couldn't locate the owner's manual for your 2010 Jazz, but here's the section in the owner's manual about remotes and keys for the 2016 Jazz.

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I am just trying to understand if Honda is doing anything additional than what the guys outside do. In this thread, lot of people suggested to get it done outside and it seems that once the new keys are programmed, the old keys wont be valid. So, I thought better to do some investigation to find out more and make an informed discussion
The programming procedure is generally straightforward, as quoted below in the case of Ford. So, in that respect its not that HASS would offer any significant value-add.

Also, the Ford manuals state that once a new key fob is programmed, all other key fobs are automatically invalidated. Now, given that these central locking systems are usually made by the same suppliers (e.g. Continental), I would assume they work similarly for Honda, even if Honda doesn't use Continental.

However, its purely because its a security thing that I'm erring towards getting Honda to do it. Alternatively, you can check for an FNG that specializes in Honda cars - I'm sure all those Accords/Civics would be going to FNGs also.

While your car doesn't use Autocop, maybe you could ask these guys for a recommendation for a reliable FNG: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/other-...hyderabad.html (Car Security & Power Windows : Autocop (Hyderabad))

As mentioned above, the procedure to program a new key fob is really quite simple.
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How to program a new remote key fob for Ford
  • After you have your new key fob, get in the vehicle with the fob and the actual key, and close the doors.
  • Turn the key into an “on” position and press the lock button on the new key fob, then turn the key back into the “off” position
  • Repeat that three more times so you turn the key to “on” and “off: a total of four times. After you’ve turned the key to “off” for the fourth time, turn it back to “on”
  • You should hear the locks sound, which means you are then in programming mode. After you hear the locks, press the “lock” button on your remote again within 5 seconds. The locks will cycle on and off one more time to tell you that the vehicle is programmed.
  • If you press “lock” again on any other remote within 10 seconds of entering programming mode, those fobs will program as well.
  • When you are finished, turn the ignition to “off” to end the programming.
Source: http://www.akinsford.com/blog/how-to...-fob-for-ford/

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Old 11th July 2016, 18:52   #109
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Thanks a lot.
The quote of 8K from Honda is just for one remote key which I think is very very high.
I think if I ask about changing the locks, it will go up to 20K or so. But I will ask anyways.

I am just trying to understand if Honda is doing anything additional than what the guys outside do. In this thread, lot of people suggested to get it done outside and it seems that once the new keys are programmed, the old keys wont be valid. So, I thought better to do some investigation to find out more and make an informed discussion
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Thanks a lot.
The quote of 8K from Honda is just for one remote key which I think is very very high.
I think if I ask about changing the locks, it will go up to 20K or so. But I will ask anyways.

I am just trying to understand if Honda is doing anything additional than what the guys outside do. In this thread, lot of people suggested to get it done outside and it seems that once the new keys are programmed, the old keys wont be valid. So, I thought better to do some investigation to find out more and make an informed discussion
Does your insurance cover key replacement? If yes, you can claim insurance.
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Thanks a lot.
The quote of 8K from Honda is just for one remote key which I think is very very high.
I think if I ask about changing the locks, it will go up to 20K or so. But I will ask anyways.
I never knew this thread existed!

A valet driver had lost my Figo's remote key in Mar this year. I didn't trust that guy, so I got the entire set replaced - lock at the door, lock in the bonnet and lock at ignition. It costed me about Rs 7K, but I found it better to spend money on this for my peace of mind!
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Does your insurance cover key replacement? If yes, you can claim insurance.
Unfortunately not

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I never knew this thread existed!

A valet driver had lost my Figo's remote key in Mar this year. I didn't trust that guy, so I got the entire set replaced - lock at the door, lock in the bonnet and lock at ignition. It costed me about Rs 7K, but I found it better to spend money on this for my peace of mind!
There's a thread in TBHP for everything we can think of and beyond
7K is very reasonable considering you changed the entire key set.
Honda is charging 8K for just one remote key. This is daylight robbery.
Even VW charges only 8K for the entire set I believe.
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I am posting this on behalf of a friend. My friend bought a Hyundai I20 from Advaith hyundai in Bannergatta road. At the time of delivery only 2 keys were given. One with remote and one without remote. Now he is in need of one more key. Where would be a good place to source a duplicate key with and without remote in Bangalore. Hyundai is charging a bomb for this.
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I've query here. What happens in case of an insurance claim for theft if you don't have all the keys provided by the manufacturer? Will the claim be denied?

Additionally, say my car had a central locking and got an AutoCop system installed over it for keyless entry.

In this case do I need to have both the spare key and spare AutoCop remote to have a valid insurance claim?
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...if you don't have all the keys provided by the manufacturer? Will the claim be denied?
I don't think so. Given the fact that, any good key maker, those computerized key cutting shops can provide you with new keys with the manufacturer's logo and name on the bow. Just like the original one.

It is a different story for key fobs, but regular keys can be easily made. The 'newly made key' might not help you start the car, but would be enough to clear the insurance checklist.

And Insurance companies knowing this, shouldn't be insisting on all keys for a claim. It does not serve any purpose. Just my POV.
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