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Old 25th October 2009, 12:59   #61
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Hi Nitin,

have you installed pete's box on your punto?
if yes how is the performance in terms of driveability in 1st , 2nd gear?
and overall performance. Any improvement in mileage?

i own punto mjd . Let me know from where to source pete's box.


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I will be looking for a pete's box for my punto in the next month or two. I believe it will improve driveability in the city (not that its bad in stock setup), the top end will be a bonus. Any clues? Sent an email to Pete's as well.
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*BUMP* Any updates people? It is hard to believe no one has Pete'd their lineas so far!
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I've just called Pete's guy in Pune this morning about the tuning box for the linea. I'm planning to have it installed onto mine. It so happened that the guy didn't have one in stock yet/at the moment(couldn't hear what he said) and it was expected to arrive something next week and asked me to call back. He quoted a price of 28k. What do you guys think. should I go ahead? I think there's plenty of evidence that it will not void the warranty unless I forget to unplug it prior to servicing that aside what other problems do you think I'll bump into? Pray help out and make me and not . Afterall we are talking about 28 big ones. I coiuld put the dough to better use.
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Old 21st March 2010, 03:30   #64
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I've just called Pete's guy in Pune this morning about the tuning box for the linea. I'm planning to have it installed onto mine. It so happened that the guy didn't have one in stock yet/at the moment(couldn't hear what he said) and it was expected to arrive something next week and asked me to call back. He quoted a price of 28k. What do you guys think. should I go ahead? I think there's plenty of evidence that it will not void the warranty unless I forget to unplug it prior to servicing that aside what other problems do you think I'll bump into? Pray help out and make me and not . Afterall we are talking about 28 big ones. I coiuld put the dough to better use.
The ECU will pick up some data indicating that you use a tuningbox. It is on the new ECUs very difficult to even re-map without detection.

We have the software to detect it as well as making it undetectable for Fiat engineers, but not many people have.
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Old 21st March 2010, 13:01   #65
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^^+1.
Its the case in VAG cars as well. The VAG COM can tell if there have been any changes in certain parameters.
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If the ECU will pick this up then the warranty can get void right ?
Can someone please clarify this, i'm very keen on a box post 15k kilometers and since that's only another 2k pete's isn't too far away.
No one's tried it yet ?
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If the ECU will pick this up then the warranty can get void right ?
Can someone please clarify this, i'm very keen on a box post 15k kilometers and since that's only another 2k pete's isn't too far away.
No one's tried it yet ?
I peronally would go for a re-map rather than a tuning box.
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CPH, even I believe re-map would be better than a tuning box. Could you ellaborate on whether it will be feasible at an affordable cost?
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CPH, even I believe re-map would be better than a tuning box. Could you ellaborate on whether it will be feasible at an affordable cost?
We charge over here (UK) 200 pounds for the re-map with before and after rolling road. If it is feasable I might want to come over and start doing this, a thought that started to appeal to me.
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@CPH,Nitrous
So what we are saying here is that a re-map is better than a tuning box?

AFAIK, tuning boxes cannot be detected ( if removed, of course) But you seem to suggest a contrarian POV, would the guys at FIAT service centers be able to read from the ECU that a tuning box was used?
Little more clarity is all that I am asking for, thanks!
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So did you get around to Pete ing your Punto?
How much did it cost and how is the performance now?
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So what we are saying here is that a re-map is better than a tuning box?

AFAIK, tuning boxes cannot be detected ( if removed, of course) But you seem to suggest a contrarian POV, would the guys at FIAT service centers be able to read from the ECU that a tuning box was used?
Little more clarity is all that I am asking for, thanks!

The diagnostic equipment, which Fiat calls the 'examiner' can pick up certain changes, but won't in most cases, which means the so called 'technicians' at a service centre might pick up something, which then woud be going on te Fiat system. But this is the lesser possibility.

The technical specialists at Fiat themselves have other software and hardware available.

Also they will evaluate the data logger in the ECU, which is quite extensive. As they are aware of commonm faults and some of these technicias are damn good their gut feeling will tell them, whether a modification has been done or not. They then search and will find evidence.

I know one case over here, where I have done some mods to the car of the parts manager of a group of Fiat dealers.

The engine developed a problem because it had a design fault. The problem for Fiat was that most of those went wrong, but they aso knew that a lot of people would modify them. The Fiat tech could smell what was going on, but had great difficulties to prove it. The only reason why the manager got out of it was because he could make the car unavailable for inspection and got a ECU read out from another car.
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And what are the probabilities of such an event occuring?
Do FIAT techs in India go through ECU data religiously? I guess not, anybody who can shed some light on this?
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And what are the probabilities of such an event occuring?
Do FIAT techs in India go through ECU data religiously? I guess not, anybody who can shed some light on this?
Every car manufacturer has got its own procedures. Warranty claims up to a certain amount are left to the discretion of the dealer. Above it will be dealt with by (in this case) Fiat. This is worldwide policy.

All manufacturers try to get out of claims and they are very well aware that there is plenty of tuners about and what they are doing.

I am confronted with this problem a lot being a performance tuner and I do know the other side too from my consultancy work in the industries.

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Every car manufacturer has got its own procedures. Warranty claims up to a certain amount are left to the discretion of the dealer. Above it will be dealt with by (in this case) Fiat. This is worldwide policy.

All manufacturers try to get out of claims and they are very well aware that there is plenty of tuners about and what they are doing.

I am confronted with this problem a lot being a performance tuner and I do know the other side too from my consultancy work in the industries.
do you have a website giving info about the remaps you do etc? im looking at buying a punto 1.3 mjd and was wondering how many hp it would go up to. with the psi tuning box it goes to 98hp.
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