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Old 13th July 2009, 13:03   #1
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Default Skoda Octavia VRS - Should I go for the stage 2 upgrade?

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I have had the following performance mods on my VRS and love the way the car performs.

- ECU remap - Custom Code Stage 1 remap
- Diverter Valve - Forge DV007
- Exhaust - Remus Catback
- Air Filter - K&N Typhoon

Except for the odd hesitation at about 5-6000 rpm, I am other wise very satisfied with the setup so far. Have been toying with the idea of a stage 2 upgrade and have been recommended the following setup:

- ECU remap - Custom Code Stage 2 (32K)
- Forge Turbo Intake pipe (18K)
- Power Flex Dogbone Bush (3K)
- Forge Front Mounted Intercooler (98K)
- Miltek Catback Exhaust (44K) OR Miltek Full Exhaust with Cat Delete 82K) OR Miltek Full Exhaust with Sports Cat (105K)
- Tarox brake pads
- Suspension upgrade
- Bilstein Sport Struts B6 set of 4 (46K)
- Top & Bottom Braces VAG (14K)
- UK Speck Springs with Link (34K)

My queries are: Can go for the ECU remap, Turbo pipes & Powerflex, but not sure of the rest of the setup.

1) FMIC - its expensive, but is it worth it? Pl advice.
2) Should I change the exhaust? What difference can i expect if I keep my existing Remus or if I upgrade to one of the three options listed?
3) If you recommend that I change the exhaust - what is the best option in terms of value for money.
4) Suspension & Brake upgrades - Intend to do this, but later.

Can spend about 100K right now - hence cannot buy everything.

Looking forward to your advice.

Chintan
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Enjoy:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modif...a-1-8-tpi.html
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Old 13th July 2009, 19:44   #3
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Hi,

Take this from someone who has gone through your dilemma !

I used to own a 240 bhp - Pete's tuned Octavia RS and would recommend you to stick to Stage 1 only, for the following reasons:

1) For Stage 2, you will need to upgrade to a bigger intercooler - which itself costs 1 lac. If you don't upgrade the intercooler, you will have lesser air feed into the engine and will result in the power loss/ shortages (especially when you need to overtake on the highway)

2) When you increase the Power to 225 bhp/ 240 bhp, you will need to spend considerable money on the suspension and brakes to cope with the above mods. You can of course still run the car with the O.E. suspension, but at-least improve the brakes.

3) What Peter will not tell you is that when you up the power to 225/ 240 bhp, you will need to change the engine bushes/ mounts. When you put in the PowerFlex as he recommends you will feel the vibrations/ harshness of the engine, especially during idle and low revs.

4) It is not advisable to run the O.E. bushes and engine mounts on a 225/ 240 bhp car - due to the additional stress on the engine bed. There have been cases where the engine has moved away from its location/ bed with the O.E. stuff.

5) When you change the suspension to B6's you also need to put in the U.K. spec springs. This will of-course improve handling tremendously, but you will lose out on comfort to the same extent.

Trust me, I have been down this road and spent a whole load of money on my RS.

Stick to Stage 1 - which is good at 195/200 bhp. Work on the brakes if you want ( pads/ rotors ), but keep the original suspension etc.

I am recommending the above, purely from a VFM point of view.

Try to get a second opinion from another modded RS user. If you can increase the power to 225 bhp with the remap and FMIC, without changing the suspension, engine mounts, bushes etc. I would say go for it. ( not sure if the O.E. stuff can take the additional stress though - however if you really don't push the car too hard I think it should be ok. - just get good brake pads and if possible better Rotors)

Cheers !

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Short & sweet - IMHO, stick to stage one, unless of course the green backs in bucket loads "justify" the performance gains.



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Old 13th July 2009, 22:51   #5
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I forgot to mention one very important thing !!

Torque-steer! The Octavia vRS is a FWD car, its difficult to put down anything above 200 bhp on the roads from those Front wheels, without massive wheelspins and dangerous torque steer.

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Talk to v1p3r,he owns the quickest RS in the country.Officially. It hasn't been touched by petes.
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- ECU remap - Custom Code Stage 2 (32K)
32,000 INR...Did I read it right?

Is it just for the ECU Flashing or does it include a new ECU?
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32,000 INR...Did I read it right?

Is it just for the ECU Flashing or does it include a new ECU?
Welcome to Pete's
Jokes apart, research,testing,etc goes into developing the maps. Done in the UK paying engineers in GBP and petrol @ ~Rs.80 per litre.
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Inter cooler should not cost you a lakh.

check this thread in market place
Team-BHP Classifieds - Universal Intercooler . - Powered by PhotoPost Classifieds

Having a lakh is more than enough to mod RS.
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Inter cooler should not cost you a lakh.

check this thread in market place
Team-BHP Classifieds - Universal Intercooler . - Powered by PhotoPost Classifieds

Having a lakh is more than enough to mod RS.
I think this is a generic made in china/taiwan intercooler. I believe 1 lakh is for an intercooler from a reputed brand.
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Take it this way. The more power you want in your car you spend more on other things to keep it running and under control. Thats the downside.

If i do remember there was a review of the pete's fettled cars being tested on either of the tracks in Tamil Nadu (not sure which one), it was very clear that the stage 2 Octy was struggling to put its power down despite all the suspension upgrades on the track. Thus a stage 1 remapped Laura diesel posted better times and also was more manageable, reason being it had traction control.

So its better you consider the cost to performance parameters and then decide. But definitely would suggest you stick to Stage 1.
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@spawnofsatan - Its a PWR intercooler. more info is here
PWR Performance Products
imported from US as mentioned by the seller.

Even a reputed Greddy intercooler core costs you around 35k.

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Take it this way. The more power you want in your car you spend more on other things to keep it running and under control. Thats the downside.
I agree, If you have the dough to maintain go for it else as suggested by many enjoy stage I remap.

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If i do remember there was a review of the pete's fettled cars being tested on either of the tracks in Tamil Nadu (not sure which one), it was very clear that the stage 2 Octy was struggling to put its power down despite all the suspension upgrades on the track. Thus a stage 1 remapped Laura diesel posted better times and also was more manageable, reason being it had traction control.
That was 'petes day out' in kari. The statement you have made only holds good for track but not on highways.
In highways it totally a different animal, i have been there done that.
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Welcome to Pete's
Jokes apart, research,testing,etc goes into developing the maps. Done in the UK paying engineers in GBP and petrol @ ~Rs.80 per litre.
I understand that the market is very limited for such "products". But considering that once developed and tested, it is just a binary flash file which can be used over and over around the world, I find its priced quite STEEP. Its more like buying a 32K INR worth software update!!!

If my assumption that its just a binary flash file is correct, I'd imagine it might be floating around on the Interwebz for sure. Ya..Ya we all know it would be piracy, stealing, Infringement of IP rights..yada yada yada...

If someone get hold of these flash files still I'd imagine that the flashing hardware might be priced the moon! Correct?
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32,000 INR...Did I read it right?

Is it just for the ECU Flashing or does it include a new ECU?
It is the flashing of the ECU after 25% discount as I already have a stage 1 Custom Code map.


Thanks a million guys. All very valuable advice. I think I will keep my Stage 1 ECU map atleast till I understand the pros and cons a little better. Will also get in touch with viper as suggested. Thanks a ton guys.


BTW... I also posted the same query on another forum at BRISKODA - The Skoda Forum and Community (another group of people I admire)

Incase you are interested, the link to that post is
MK1 Octavia VRS - advice on Stage 2 upgrade - BRISKODA - The Skoda Forums

Thanks a million.

Last edited by Rehaan : 17th July 2009 at 01:58. Reason: Posts merged. Please avoid multiple consecutive posts. Thanks.
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@spawnofsatan - Its a PWR intercooler. more info is here
PWR Performance Products
imported from US as mentioned by the seller.

Even a reputed Greddy intercooler core costs you around 35k.
Please look carefully, that is NOT a PWR intercooler. PWR intercoolers will normally have PWR in red across the fins (like this), and definitely have PWR engraved on the top, like this.

Also, the cheapest PWR intercooler of approximately the same size (smaller than the one mentioned in the Classifieds ad) is 500 USD on sale. That's around 25k INR, excluding shipping, duties etc. I think you can safely assume 40k. Here is an ad for the same. PWR Intercooler 24x8x3

Also, the ad does not say anything about it being imported from the US.

A good intercooler will make a HUGE power difference, especially in Indian daytime running conditions. You don't need a good 28x7 unless you're running a Supra or something like that, with over 400-500 hp. My Garrett is a lot smaller than that, and it works admirably.

@crdhanak, that forum gives very sensible advice. But they may not understand your VFM questions as most of these parts cost a lot less in the UK, and no one is familiar with INR. Also, you may want to avoid cross-posting there, most people will frown/look down upon it.
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