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Old 26th July 2009, 01:00   #16
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The Moot question in each of our minds is which paint protection is Good, which gives the maximum shine, is it a Must Have or a Good to Have product, which is VFM so forth and so on.

here i will attempt to describe in brief each of these four products listed above:

3M - uses a 3 step technique wherein a mild abrasive is used to clean and polish the surface, then a synthetic resin is used to perapre the surface and lastly the glaze is used to shine the surface. IMHO and as per the information given to me by Paint specialists, results in cutting of the clear coat by about 5-7 microns. factory finished clear coat surfaces are normally about 40-50 microns and the mild fine liquid rubbing compound cuts off a bit of this clear coat which IMHO isnt very desirable. secondly helpless against Bird droppings. had done 3M coating on my sx4 and a bird dropping resulted in a cracked up kind of surface on the clear coat. this is a Good to have product. 3M HAS NO PAINT PROTECTION, THOUGH IT HAS THE BEST PRODUCTS FOR THE BODYSHOP PROFESSIONALS!

Waxoyl - Again a 3 Step application albeit a Much better technique wherein a synthetic resin is applied to the paint to prepare the surface, a gloss resin is applied to shine the surface and finally a 100 Plus polymer paint sealant is applied to seal the surface. by experience i have observed that the shine lasts upto 2-3 years and provides effective protection against bird droppings which are corrosive in Nature and leave a cracked looking surface on the paint. However the bird droppings need to be washed off the surface within 6-8 Hours for good results. water keeps beading on the surface even after 24 months of application and in my Humble opinion this is a must have product. THEY HAVE A MILD PAINT PROTECTION, BUT NOT AS STRONG AS MENTIONED HERE!

Dupont teflon - a Single step system wherein the vehicle is cleaned and then the teflon applied to the surface, let to dry to a haze and then shined with an orbital Polisher. very difficult to get genuine Dupont teflon and most of the time dealerships and detailers use either 3M liquid wax or any other automotive wax and say its teflon Genuine Dupont teflon comes in small bottles of 50-100 Ml each for a specific application and costs about 1045/- or so. if someone tells you that he will do a teflon coating demand to see the packaging of the product. in fact a few years ago when my friend did teflon coating for his scorpio, little did he know that the dealer would spray an additional coat of clear coat on his car and call it teflon! THEY ARE THE INVENTORS OF PTFE 2 STAGE GENUINE PAINT PROTECTION.

Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite - Techinical specifications of this product look impressive and on par with waxoyl. the only hitch is that it is available only in Chennai as of now!NUMBER ONE IN UK, IT ALSO OFFERS A TWO STAGE PTFE PAINT PROTECTION
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NOTE: PAINT PROTECTIONS DONT GIVE SHINE, THEY JUST SEAL WHATEVER CONDITION OF THE PAINT YOU WANT IT TO SEAL!

Before a paint protection is applied to seal the paint work, the condition of the paint is rectified (removal of scratches, oxidazation, nips and buds etc) and then the paint is enhanced (make it shiny and glossy) and then its sealed in a two stage chemical protection, the same we we use two stage/tube Alerdite glue!

Please remember not to get fooled by TEFLON coating being offered to any of you in india. there are hardly any genuine TEFLON paint protection being done.

same way all motorcycles are called bikes, all Bajaj, Vespa, Honda etc are called scooters, all SUVs are reffered as Jeeps, similarly people are making money by selling you TEFLON coating!

im telling all this because of my experience of 14 years in Paint Rectification and Enhancement and Paint Protection without any repainting!

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Old 26th July 2009, 08:06   #17
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NOTE: PAINT PROTECTIONS DONT GIVE SHINE, THEY JUST SEAL WHATEVER CONDITION OF THE PAINT YOU WANT IT TO SEAL!

Before a paint protection is applied to seal the paint work, the condition of the paint is rectified (removal of scratches, oxidazation, nips and buds etc) and then the paint is enhanced (make it shiny and glossy) and then its sealed in a two stage chemical protection, the same we we use two stage/tube Alerdite glue!

Please remember not to get fooled by TEFLON coating being offered to any of you in india. there are hardly any genuine TEFLON paint protection being done.

same way all motorcycles are called bikes, all Bajaj, Vespa, Honda etc are called scooters, all SUVs are reffered as Jeeps, similarly people are making money by selling you TEFLON coating!

im telling all this because of my experience of 14 years in Paint Rectification and Enhancement and Paint Protection without any repainting!

thanks parm for those Inputs. we are proud to have someone with an experience of 14 years in Paint Rectification and Enhancement and Paint Protection without any repainting so that we can ask you our doubts and get them cleared.

as regards teflon i fully agree with you! 3M brochures say that it offers paint protection though as you rightly pointed out it merely gives out a glossy surface.

as regards waxoyl i have had a very positive experience with it in the past several years.

yes diamond brite is supposed to be twice as good as waxoyl but availibility is scare!
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Parm, thanks for the information. Do you undertake the same job or know someone who does in Delhi NCR?
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3M using abrasion polishing compound is no doubt scary but doesnt affect the clear coat Much as just about 5-7 microns of the 50 microns get scraped off.. however in the long run repeated applications may ersult in depletion of the clear coat. waxoyl is best recommended by me!
3M paint protection treatment is for a year & one needs to repeat it if one wants to continue it. 4 years of successive tratment will thentake off a good 30 microns of clear coat.
Is this info about 3M confirmed Sunilrj ?

If yes, then Good that I have not done it on my brand new Linea postponing it for a year.
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Old 27th July 2009, 12:55   #20
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3M paint protection treatment is for a year & one needs to repeat it if one wants to continue it. 4 years of successive tratment will thentake off a good 30 microns of clear coat.
Is this info about 3M confirmed Sunilrj ?

If yes, then Good that I have not done it on my brand new Linea postponing it for a year.

yes. its confirmed VP.. when i was at the BASF R&D lab geting my door painted, a pretty young lady who is with the R&D department was showing me the micron thickness of paints and clearcoats using a computerised machine and then applying rubbing compounds to polish the surfaces of the painted test plate and showing how much of thickness was lost. i was also told that they are in the process of developing a self-heal clearcoat which would heal any minute surface level scratches that occur , just like our human skin which heals minor abrasions.. though right now its in the initial stages of development
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On my earlier car, I did the Teflon Coating on day 1 in the year2003.

On my New Linea, wanted to go for some Paint Protection treatment imdtly but postponed it.

After reading thro' various materials on t-bhp & net on Paints, Coats, various treatments, abrasive, poish, wax etc, my views are complately changing.

Brand new cars are painted with modern paint technologies & Common sense says that there is no reason the MFR would not have given sufficient pain protection treatment (which in any ways costs only 3-4K - minimal for a Rs. 8-9 Lac car)

After reading the effects of abrasives, Polish, rubbing compund & various treatments etc on paints, I'm thinking that I'll not use any kind of those till the time its ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. The only item which will be used is PURE WAX (without any polish component) once or twice a month.

The Absolute necessity would be - after 1-2 years when the paint developes serious scratches, marks etc & it looks quite ugly, only then I'll think of using some or the other treatment.

What say, guys ?

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On my earlier car, I did the Teflon Coating on day 1 in the year2003.

On my New Linea, wanted to go for some Paint Protection treatment imdtly but postponed it.

After reading thro' various materials on t-bhp & net on Paints, Coats, various treatments, abrasive, poish, wax etc, my views are complately changing.

Brand new cars are painted with modern paint technologies & Common sense says that there is no reason the MFR would not have given sufficient pain protection treatment (which in any ways costs only 3-4K - minimal for a Rs. 8-9 Lac car)

After reading the effects of abrasives, Polish, rubbing compund & various treatments etc on paints, I'm thinking that I'll not use any kind of those till the time its ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. The only item which will be used is PURE WAX (without any polish component) once or twice a month.

The Absolute necessity would be - after 1-2 years when the paint developes serious scratches, marks etc & it looks quite ugly, only then I'll think of using some or the other treatment.

What say, guys ?

Absolutely right! however given my good exerience with waxoyl specially the engine waxing which keeps the engine looking as good as new, the underbody hard wax which reduces NVH levels as well as gives an additional round of protection from stone hits and nasty scrapes against road humps and the exterior pant protection 100 plus sealant which reduces damage due to bird droppings as well as prevents minor scratches i have always done waxoyl treatment on day 1!

check out the pics of my car after the leather job was done. even after 3 months of ownership if you observe keenly you will not find any swirl marks on the exterior partly due to waxoyl and partly due to my painstaking care!
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What are the good brands of waxes available in the Indian market?
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Absolutely right! however given my good exerience with waxoyl specially the engine waxing which keeps the engine looking as good as new, the underbody hard wax which reduces NVH levels as well as gives an additional round of protection from stone hits and nasty scrapes against road humps and the exterior pant protection 100 plus sealant which reduces damage due to bird droppings as well as prevents minor scratches i have always done waxoyl treatment on day 1!
Sunilrj,

I have booked ANHC; the dealer quoted 4k for underbody protection with waxoyl. I thought it would only protect from rust. Now after reading your post, I ahve some doubts: are there different types for protection against rust, NVH, scraping against speed breakers etc.? Or, it's one thing that takes care of all of these?
Also, please let me know the details of the type of the waxoyl solution.

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Sunilrj,

I have booked ANHC; the dealer quoted 4k for underbody protection with waxoyl. I thought it would only protect from rust. Now after reading your post, I ahve some doubts: are there different types for protection against rust, NVH, scraping against speed breakers etc.? Or, it's one thing that takes care of all of these?
Also, please let me know the details of the type of the waxoyl solution.
Modern cars are having enough underbody protection as standard. You are not in a high corrosion coastal area either. So do not waste money - however, it it your money and your car!!!
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Sunilrj,

I have booked ANHC; the dealer quoted 4k for underbody protection with waxoyl. I thought it would only protect from rust. Now after reading your post, I ahve some doubts: are there different types for protection against rust, NVH, scraping against speed breakers etc.? Or, it's one thing that takes care of all of these?
Also, please let me know the details of the type of the waxoyl solution.

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Pratim, Congrats on the ANHC. the 4K is for the body paint protection. the underbody coating is of hardwax. not a must have but a good to have..as it provides an additional layer of protection. the same hardwax protects against speed breakers, NVH etc.
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The additional protection to the underbody is also a good sound deadner nd does lower road noise to a sertain extent. Most of these coatings are rubber/butyl based and so help deaden the rosonation from floor panels. A worthwhile investment for a car if you plan to keep her for a long time.
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Anyone have any idea about the "paint protection kit" sold at MGA? This is apart from the liquid wax polish available there. Noticed this in the display window while leaving after the first service on last Saturday (25.07.09), but the MGA counter person had gone for lunch. I was in a hurry and not inclined to wait for her return.
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Anyone have any idea about the "paint protection kit" sold at MGA?
Have seen these around, but they are obscenely over priced and not worth it. I bought a pack of this a few years back and wasn't impressed by the results. You are better off getting better products outside at half the price.
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Have seen these around, but they are obscenely over priced and not worth it. I bought a pack of this a few years back and wasn't impressed by the results. You are better off getting better products outside at half the price.
yes. right these are DIY products. performance is average. and they are just polishing kits
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