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Old 19th September 2010, 17:03   #121
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nowwhat?,

Thanks for the detailed report. I am also waiting for the silver polo. I was actually given the choice of a white polo, but i chose to wait a little longer for the Silver.
Let us know how this treatment performs during its course.
The SP in the showroom doesn't recommend this for a new car and says the Polo comes with a 6 yrs paint protection and stuff..

I would now watch this thread closely.
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Old 19th September 2010, 19:49   #122
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So I asked him what does this Waxoyl Paint Protection Treatment do? So he says it basically protects the paint from fading and maintains the gloss. The product comes with a 1 year guarantee in India whereas in Europe the guarantee is for 3 years as it is considerably less dusty there. Generally the protection should last for 1.5 to 3 years in India.

He also tells me that people misconceive the treatment as some sort of scratch or ding protection, which it isn't. There is no product for that.

For me the biggest benefit would be that I wouldn't have to wax the car every now and then to get that wet look (in fact Waxoyl advises not to wax over their coat). Also, I would be protecting the paint.

The car had already been prepped up by my car cleaner who had washed the car well that morning (PICTURE 0). The technician started buffing the car with a white liquid (buffing compound -- PICTURE 1) and a sheepskin brush on the machine (PICTURE 1B). In the process the small scratches that my dog made (PICTURE 0B) were eliminated.

Then the technician applied a gloss coat (PICTURE 2) this time with a sponge pad (PICTURE 2B). Finally he applied the paint sealant (PICTURE 3) by hand (PICTURE 3A). Apparently the sealant itself costs Rs. 1,500. We waited some 10 minutes until the sealant dried up into a white colour (PICTURE 3B) and then the car was wiped clean.

When I asked him about the difference between 3M & Waxoyl, he said he didn't want to go into the details but they are worldwide specialists in paint protection and corrosion protection unlike 3M. I am seriously thinking of getting the corrosion treatment done on my 800.

I ended up paying 2,850 because they mistook the Polo to be a small car like the Alto. The actual price is around 4K for the Polo.
Now what - Sorry to put it this way, but you have been taken for a ride !!

I advise you to take a look at the car detailing thread in T- BHP to understand what car detailing is all about. It will help you to avoid falling prey to smart talk by con men such as these. I will point out the reason's why below. I too have been taken for a ride before !

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...-home-219.html

1. Nobody can guarantee protection for 1 year in Indian conditions even if its driven occasionally. Our conditions of extreme heat, humidity , dust & pollution are one of the toughest in the world, which will result in any protective coating wearing out in a few months. Over a period of time, contaminants will land on the paint. Improper washing will result in swirls too.

2. The ideal process is
Washing - with car shampoo to remove all dirt & dust
Claying - To remove the above surface bonded contaminants (tree sap, bird poo, brake dust, etc)
Compounding - To remove deeper scratches, swirl marks
Polish/Cleaner wax - To clean & nourish the paint
Sealant - To seal the paint & protect it from the elements with a shine !
Wax - provide gloss & depth

3. The machine they are using is not the right machine & neither is the technique nor the pad. They havent even done claying which is the basic process for cleaning the paint. You may get water beading for a month or two max. 2,850 is robbery, its not even worth 1,000. Sorry for being direct but this is the truth about such guys who talk smoothly. They have skipped many steps in the process. I dont see them even doing masking.

4. Waxoyl is nowhere close to 3M in terms of durability or performance. I would suggest you use the 3M brands available abroad or a reputed brand like Meguiars. Google & visit the Meguiars site, you can see for yourself from the videos. You can also visit Autogeek which will give you more details.

5. Please avoid getting such treatments done from amateurs as you will seriously risk damaging your clear coat.

6. If you spare some time, you can follow a process of car detailing by yourself at home. Washing is the process which causes maximum damage to the paint. Always wash with a microfiber mitt, which reduces scratches. You can pick up a sealant for your own use which you can apply once a month by yourself !

If you have any doubts, PM me !

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Old 21st September 2010, 00:30   #123
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What should be the Ideal one for a new car, is it just 3M clear coat for that extra protection or do we have to go for the complete package. Please advise.
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If you have a new car(without scratches/swirls) I would recommend you use a sealant or a wax to seal the paint!!

Nothing can protect your paint other than a nice wax coat.
You can keep layering it if you like.

There is no 'miracle product' that will protect a finish for a year or so!

If you are really serious about paint protection, you are looking for 3M scotchguard paint protection film - Scotchgard? Paint Protection Film Solutions

As far as I know, it isn't available in India!!(At least I couldn't find any)

@nowwhat? - Take a halogen lamp and try looking at any of the panels where the machine was used(hold the lamp beside your head (at eye level) and turn it on while pointing at the panel)

This will enable you to see swirls etc.

also the foam pad he used was supposed to be clean!!(detailing has to be done with surgical precision!)
(a dirty foam pad while rotating will instill swirls and scratches, as the minutest of dust particle stuck on the pad is enough to swirl out the whole panel!)

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Sohail, I think one even doesn't need to use a lamp to view the swirls. The pic itself shows all the swirls caused by the pad.

I for one did fall to such promised miracle stuff, I don't blame the guy who did it. Someone who taught him himself doesn't know anything more using polish and cutting it with a machine and a wool pad.

Detailing is a lot more than that. For that price the work on that Polo was not worth it, I guess stock would have been better.
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Thanks for that information. 3M solution you recommended seems to be really good.
Some where in the forum I read that applying an extra coat of clear coat on delivery of new vehicle is really good. Wanted to know if its worth going for it.
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English - The factory finish will be baked on at high temperatures, it wont be possible to only apply another clear coat ! Once the clear coat wears off, the surface would need to be resprayed.

Your best bet would be to apply a sealant topped off with a good wax to ensure the existing clear coat is protected.
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@english -

If you want another coat(just the theoretical knowledge of clearcoat spraying), first they'll sand the existing clearcoat(which is like super thin already!! Wetsanding a factory baked paint is NEVER recommended!) to ensure proper bonding of the clearcoat they are gonna spray.

Then they take it into paintbooth and spray it again!
the clearcoat dries and leaves orange peel and other defects all over.
appearance after cc spraying - The car will give the impression of 'being repainted once already!!!'

The reflectivity and shine of the paint will drastically reduce due to the clear coat defects. Then CAN'T use any wax or sealant for another 45 days to enable the freshly sprayed clearcoat to out gas(cure).

Ideally, to restore the shine after that, the whole car needs to be wetsanded to the finest grit and then compounded > polished > finished.
After these steps only, the clear coat will be defect free and give a show car shine!

Unfortunately, the know-how, tools, dedication to this field and polishes etc. are not available in India to these painters and body shop ppl.(nor they want to aquire it)

All they can/will do is, wetsand the paint and then cover the sanding marks up with a glaze or some oily polish.

All I wanted to say was that its too much of a hassle and in the end, since no painter is properly aware of refinishing and paint refining techniques, you might end up with a dull looking finish!!

I agree with nirmaljusdoit! Its much easier to apply a paint sealant and enjoy the shine and attention it gives!
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Thanks guys, I guess, I will go for waxoyl paint sealant then :-)
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Hello Everyone,
My friend purchased a pre owned metallic silver Scorpio last week. The vehicle has very few scratches. The issue is, it had gone inside a ditch and had to be pulled out using a crane by its previous owner and was hence repainted at the ASC. The gloss seems to be a bit on the lesser side and moreover, on the front bumper, if one observes carefully, one can spot 2 layers of paint one beside the other.

Also, since the vehicle is my friend's now, we intend to give it a really good polish/rubbing job either at home or by a professional as may be required.

What would be best products to use? Where can they be procured from? Who can apply them(Can we do it at home or is it better to get professional help)?
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Hello Everyone,
My friend purchased a pre owned metallic silver Scorpio last week. The vehicle has very few scratches. The issue is, it had gone inside a ditch and had to be pulled out using a crane by its previous owner and was hence repainted at the ASC. The gloss seems to be a bit on the lesser side and moreover, on the front bumper, if one observes carefully, one can spot 2 layers of paint one beside the other.

Also, since the vehicle is my friend's now, we intend to give it a really good polish/rubbing job either at home or by a professional as may be required.

What would be best products to use? Where can they be procured from? Who can apply them(Can we do it at home or is it better to get professional help)?
Regarding the front bumper paint mismatch I think its more to do with the shade than the gloss. So this calls for a complete bumper repaint.

For the rest of the car the techniques of detailing need to be followed.

1. Wash with a good quality car shampoo
2. Decontaminate with a clay bar
3. Paint treatment (swirls and scratch removal) with a good polishing compound
4. Polishing
5. Paint sealant
6. Waxing for that ultimate gloss.

Would suggest you purchase good quality polishes and waxes for this job, like say of Meguiar's.
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Regarding the front bumper paint mismatch I think its more to do with the shade than the gloss. So this calls for a complete bumper repaint.
It is not a mismatch. It is like, as though the paint has weathered in some places. I m not able to explain it. It is very light.


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1. Wash with a good quality car shampoo
2. Decontaminate with a clay bar
3. Paint treatment (swirls and scratch removal) with a good polishing compound
4. Polishing
5. Paint sealant
6. Waxing for that ultimate gloss.

Would suggest you purchase good quality polishes and waxes for this job, like say of Meguiar's.
Where can I get this clay bar and paint sealant?
Also are there any tools needed for the job?
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I advise you to take a look at the car detailing thread in T- BHP to understand what car detailing is all about. It will help you to avoid falling prey to smart talk by con men such as these. I will point out the reason's why below. I too have been taken for a ride before !

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...-home-219.html

1. Nobody can guarantee protection for 1 year in Indian conditions even if its driven occasionally. Our conditions of extreme heat, humidity , dust & pollution are one of the toughest in the world, which will result in any protective coating wearing out in a few months. Over a period of time, contaminants will land on the paint. Improper washing will result in swirls too.

2. The ideal process is
Washing - with car shampoo to remove all dirt & dust
Claying - To remove the above surface bonded contaminants (tree sap, bird poo, brake dust, etc)
Compounding - To remove deeper scratches, swirl marks
Polish/Cleaner wax - To clean & nourish the paint
Sealant - To seal the paint & protect it from the elements with a shine !
Wax - provide gloss & depth

3. The machine they are using is not the right machine & neither is the technique nor the pad. They havent even done claying which is the basic process for cleaning the paint. You may get water beading for a month or two max. 2,850 is robbery, its not even worth 1,000. Sorry for being direct but this is the truth about such guys who talk smoothly. They have skipped many steps in the process. I dont see them even doing masking.

4. Waxoyl is nowhere close to 3M in terms of durability or performance. I would suggest you use the 3M brands available abroad or a reputed brand like Meguiars. Google & visit the Meguiars site, you can see for yourself from the videos. You can also visit Autogeek which will give you more details.

5. Please avoid getting such treatments done from amateurs as you will seriously risk damaging your clear coat.

6. If you spare some time, you can follow a process of car detailing by yourself at home. Washing is the process which causes maximum damage to the paint. Always wash with a microfiber mitt, which reduces scratches. You can pick up a sealant for your own use which you can apply once a month by yourself !

If you have any doubts, PM me !
Nirmal,
I just need a clarification.
Basically what you are saying is that paint protection if applied using the appropriate procedures (as detailed by you) and genuine products is good and you are not against it.
Is this also T-BHP opinion from the web link that you have referred.
Sorry I am thoroughly confused about GTO's standpoint and other such explanations.
I have an offer from the dealer to select paint protection using diamondbrite materials with 3 year "warranty" or equivalent accessories.
Though paint protection seems to offer more VFM than accessories, I am perplexed with so many opinions.
If possible please clarify and help me to clear my doubts.
I have 2 cars and I clean both of them all by myself taking enough care not to create swirls.
But I am not equipped or inclined for waxing and polishing by myself.
So I am looking for something like "paint protection" that will preserve (or at least deter) the paint from collecting and storing dust on the surface and make the cleaning process simple and easy.
Thanks,

HC
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I have seen that Forum mall in koramangala, Bangalore have a "sparkle car spa" in 1st floor; and have seen that they offer paint protection. When I enquired with them, they told me that they use Diamond Brite.

I have been following this thread for some time and nobody have posted their experiences with this product (Jewel Ultra Diamond Brite), though initially it was said to be twice as effective as waxoyl. Maybe our chennai BHP'ians can show us some light about this.

Also ff any of our fellow T-BHP'ians have done a paint protection from Forum, please share your experience.
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Hello guys. After going through almost the whole thread, i am even more confused. Please help me. I am getting my car delivered today. I do not want the dealer to do the "Teflon" which actually is according to them, 3M Paint Protection coating. I contacted Car Palace, Trivandrum, which is supposed to be a reputed car accessories shop here. They claim to have original Dupont Teflon coating. Should i go for it? Or should i stick on to some good wax which i shall apply once in 4 months or so? If so, which brand can i go for? Also, is it better to get the underbody protection coating done from the dealership or outside? The dealer is quoting Rs.2500 with a warranty of 2 years. Please enlighten me!
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