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Old 8th September 2009, 08:48   #16
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The whole legal-illegal issue is well..ridiculous.

you can do whatever to your car, but if the cops see that the car is making alot of noise, they might catch you.
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Old 8th September 2009, 09:54   #17
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Yes? Any impressions on them?

We can have a t-bhp first meet in Ahmedabad I guess.
Count me in (from Vadodara)! I've been thinking of starting a thread for a meet since a while now. I know the guy at Neighbourhood pretty well and a few other TBHPians from Vadodara/Ahmedabad

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First of all, a FFE is a free flow exhaust in which the cat con HAS to be removed, else it wont be a FFE, 13.5k for a mild steel FFE is just a little high, including Headers, pipe and end can, but not removing the cat con and taking basic 13.5k for only the end can is a complete rip off, the end can gives only the sound and nothing else, so he is ripping you off, it you meant 1.35k den no he isnt.

The oil change you should get, and a stock replacement air filter wont make much of a difference, you should consider the conical ones.
As akshay suggested, get a ECU that will REALLY help.
you do get free flows with cat converters and they are called cat backs. but removing the cat will give a better gain. the car will pass puc even after removing the cat.

buddy, remus endcans are around that price and if you buy a full free flow from a company like remus or hks itll probably cost around 30k.
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The whole legal-illegal issue is well..ridiculous.

you can do whatever to your car, but if the cops see that the car is making alot of noise, they might catch you.
a) Its still the law !
b) Why is it ridiculous ? Tell me in which country removing the catcon is street legal ?
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Ok! Agreed it runs lean initially. So you will pump in more fuel. What about the performance at WOT? Won't it run rich? I hope you do know that running rich decreases performance, keeps the engine cool though.
That's not how it works.

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First of all, a FFE is a free flow exhaust in which the cat con HAS to be removed, else it wont be a FFE, 13.5k for a mild steel FFE is just a little high, including Headers, pipe and end can, but not removing the cat con and taking basic 13.5k for only the end can is a complete rip off, the end can gives only the sound and nothing else, so he is ripping you off, it you meant 1.35k den no he isnt.
That's how much the cheapest Remus costs. Mine is over 30k, IIRC. For that price, you get factory finish, a dyno chart with an increase in power, and if you choose the correct model, bolt-on fitment and sound levels below the maximum legal limit. They also make exhausts for DTM, WSBK, WTCC, WRC etc.

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The whole legal-illegal issue is well..ridiculous.

you can do whatever to your car, but if the cops see that the car is making alot of noise, they might catch you.
You can also do whatever to the environment, and one day your children might catch you.

Devarshi, I would suggest investing in an ECU if you have the budget. It can be tuned to your requirement and you will feel a definite change in performance. Also, if you choose to mod your car further, or even swap your engine, the same ECU can be reused to further potential.

Also, the stock replacement for the Lancer is more expensive than the conical ones. This might be because it is also the stock replacement for the Mivec and the Evo IV.
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Old 9th September 2009, 10:38   #21
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I guess we are discussing a rising rate FPR.
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How much does a FPR cost?
How much does an ECU tuning cost?

I think the price is just for the end can from REMUS as I am not removing the cat con or going in for the headers.

Also how much noise does a green performance filter and a Pipercross filter with aluminium intake make compared to a Stock replacement K&N air filter? I am getting a green and Pipercross at company prices.

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New FPR could cost upto 15k depending on brand, model and current supply pattern.

New ECU is I think in the range of 34k with install etc.
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Where can I get an FPR in India. The site shown in the thread shows a UK link.
And same with ECU. Where will I get it in India and what about the installation ?
Can I expect the installation to be carried out smoothly here ?
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No ECU stuff for me, for now.

I have been quoted 10.5 for the FPR? I forgot to ask the brand though. What changes to daily driving/highway driving and fuel economy can I expect.

I am planning to go for a green filter with piping and flange as it is cheaper than both K&N and Pipercross and people who use it like it for its quality. which means pipercross and K&N are overpriced. TRUE?? I dont want any compromises but I dont want to donate money for overpriced products.

Are the spark plugs and cables really not needed for our sticky fuel? I do use premium 91 fuels but still, are the current spark plugs enough to burn efficiently enough? I am not talking power power here. I can save some money here if its not really needed.

regarding the exhaust, I am planning to cancel the option as my mom really has a sensitive ear and the low drone from the exhaust may not prove to be good even if it is street legal. any opinions or suggestions or different brands?

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No ECU stuff for me, for now.

I have been quoted 10.5 for the FPR? I forgot to ask the brand though. What changes to daily driving/highway driving and fuel economy can I expect.
Get the FSE FPR for Lancer (refer to the link I posted before for model # etc). That comes with a fuel rail so is a bolt-on fit.
As per RPW Australia website, you can gain 10ftpd of torque at idle/low rpms, no bhp gains. Practically, car will accelerate faster from idle/low rpms, and more smooth when in low rpms in 3rd gear or 4th gear. Fuel efficiency may go down to some extent depending on how heavy your foot is, I guess..
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Are the spark plugs and cables really not needed for our sticky fuel? I do use premium 91 fuels but still, are the current spark plugs enough to burn efficiently enough? I am not talking power power here. I can save some money here if its not really needed.

regarding the exhaust, I am planning to cancel the option as my mom really has a sensitive ear and the low drone from the exhaust may not prove to be good even if it is street legal. any opinions or suggestions or different brands?
Plugs pretty much useless. Wires definitely useless.

Remus makes silent exhausts. Mine is as quiet as OE, but gives slight power gains.

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Where can I get an FPR in India. The site shown in the thread shows a UK link.
And same with ECU. Where will I get it in India and what about the installation ?
Can I expect the installation to be carried out smoothly here ?
Both can be sourced and installed in Bangalore. Check the forum, there are some for sale in the Classifieds section.
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Both can be sourced and installed in Bangalore. Check the forum, there are some for sale in the Classifieds section.
Thanks for the reply. I searched the net and found HKS FPRs. Are they any good? Seems they can be sourced via Race Dynamics.
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I've bought a Sard FPR for my Lancer, which I haven't gotten around to fitting as yet. Cost 8k, but came without the fuel rail adaptor, which I'll have to get fabricated. I've heard good things about Sard - will see if they are true. I'm waiting till the monsoon gets over and roads, well... resemble roads again.

@devarshi: Keep in mind that the 4G15 isn't much of a performer. So keep your expectations low, and you won't be disappointed.
- A standalone ECU will definitely help more than the other things.
- No need for plugs and wires - just get some new stock plugs fitted and make sure you're existing wiring is in order. The so-called "performance" plugs+wires don't add much.
- A stock replacement filter doesn't really give you anything. A conical filter's a better idea, coupled with a good FFE. Only the end-can won't help performance - it'll just make it look and sound sportier.

Have fun, and all the best!
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I've bought a Sard FPR for my Lancer, which I haven't gotten around to fitting as yet. Cost 8k, but came without the fuel rail adaptor, which I'll have to get fabricated. I've heard good things about Sard - will see if they are true. I'm waiting till the monsoon gets over and roads, well... resemble roads again.
SARD is good. I use their stuff myself. You don't need an adaptor. Just plug it in series after the OE FPR and it'll work fine.

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Thanks for the reply. I searched the net and found HKS FPRs. Are they any good? Seems they can be sourced via Race Dynamics.
Never used, so I can't tell. There is cheaper stuff available. For FPRs, I would go with specialists/people who do it all the time, like FSE, SARD, Aeromotive. For ECUs of course RD is the best.
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