Go Back   Team-BHP > Under the Hood > Modifications & Accessories


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12th November 2014, 11:27   #8551
BHPian
 
Dodge_Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vashi
Posts: 446
Thanked: 417 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by 197Horses View Post
Subject : Damage to headlights by heat of bulbs !

My Verna Fluidic did not have a bright and long throw for it's head light. On highways i always felt the lack of light.Stock bulbs were H4 12v 60/55w
Phillips.
A local car accessories shop owner suggested me to upgrade to Osram 100/90w 12v H4 which had a whiter shade and produced more light.
Osram 100/90 bulbs were installed ,the lighting improved drastically and there was a difference in the shade too.

It has been a month since the install , yesterday while i was cleaning her i noticed the chrome of reflector is damaged and had little spots where the chrome was missing.

On visiting the car accessories shop again ,owner explains me that this chrome may have been damaged due to excessive heat produced by the bulbs.
He asked me to get a "Hella Headlamp Wiring Harness 100/130W Max With Relay" installed for using 100/90 bulbs which would probably reduce the heat
produced. Is it so ?

I am in a dilemma over installing Hella wiring harness or should i move back to stock bulbs as i don't want to damage the headlamps.
Please Help
I have faced exactly the same issue on my i10. Mine is more damage in fact. I was using Hella 100/90 with Hella harness and then switched to Philips 100/90. The damage hasn't increased luckily.
Dodge_Viper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 11:30   #8552
Senior - BHPian
 
itwasntme's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: BANGALORE
Posts: 1,836
Thanked: 869 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Hi, you'd better be very careful with your reflectors - there is obvious damage on them and that too, within a month.

Your usage is probably not suited to 100/90w and a relay will not help in heat reduction or dissipation - my input would be to immediately revert to the 60/55w bulbs and explore other options such as fitting the Night Breaker or Extreme Vision seried bulbs in BOTH your headlights and foglights.

Another option is to simply invest in a good pair of auxiliary lights from a reputed brand like Hella etc.

Last edited by itwasntme : 12th November 2014 at 11:35. Reason: Hella
itwasntme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 11:36   #8553
BHPian
 
197Horses's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ahmedabad
Posts: 62
Thanked: 56 Times
Default

@silversteed - I will try and use headlamps more judiciously.
@dodge_viper - This means that philips are generating less heat as compared to Hella.
197Horses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 12:19   #8554
BHPian
 
Dodge_Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vashi
Posts: 446
Thanked: 417 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
Hi, you'd better be very careful with your reflectors - there is obvious damage on them and that too, within a month.

Your usage is probably not suited to 100/90w and a relay will not help in heat reduction or dissipation - my input would be to immediately revert to the 60/55w bulbs and explore other options such as fitting the Night Breaker or Extreme Vision seried bulbs in BOTH your headlights and foglights.

Another option is to simply invest in a good pair of auxiliary lights from a reputed brand like Hella etc.
Agree, but 60/55 on i10 is as good as driving in a candlelight . I had posted the same question here about Philips extreme vision, and it seems the output is somewhere 30-40% more than normal lights.
Dodge_Viper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 12:21   #8555
Senior - BHPian
 
joybhowmik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 1,304
Thanked: 1,841 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by joybhowmik View Post
here are my requirements for a good starting point.

1) Fit a bulb and forget it... I want the upgrade to be that easy. I cannot deal with the possibility of component failure in the kit (excepting the bulb of course).

2) The upgrade itself has to be reliable. Years of use without failure. It should not cause fuses and/or other electrical components to pack up early.

3) The upgrade has to provide better illumination than what I currently get. Better throw and better spread
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgiitk View Post
@joybhowmik; legality apart the best options may be in order NB+, 90/100W and HID. HID with a decent colour temperature (4300 or lower) w8ll be the brightest but ideally must be in a projector setup (except fgsk where go for 2700/3000K and no projectors). Once you have decent ballasts you are singing. Bulb failure in HIDs is virtually unknown.
Quote:
Originally Posted by silversteed View Post
I concur with what the Professor has said:

However, there are a few caveats:
Osram Nightbreaker+ : very expensive. I've never found them on the favourable side of the VFM scale.
90/100W : Not plug-n-play, as you'll have to install a wiring harness including good quality relays (solid state or normal - the former is more expensive, but will outlive your car). However, this is the most bang for the buck solution
HIDs : Without projectors, you may be in for a nasty surprise if you install just HIDs - the optics of the Innova's HLs are not designed for HIDs, but halogen bulbs, hence the HIDs might result in a really bright (HIDs put out more lumens than a similar rated halogen bulb) foreground and not much throw. Oh, and you'll need good quality ballasts too. Now, about projectors, you have to open up the headlights to install the projectors, and sealing it back can be tricky and if not done properly, you might end up with moisture inside the HL dome.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgiitk View Post
I am looking at headlamps with clear fronts. Otherwise things do not work out. With projectors once properly sealed the lights should be kosher. Some of these do not requite any cutting (eg Morimoto) only opening to install.
Thanks Prof and Silversteed. Few questions on the options.
Osram Night Breaker Plus
Quote:
NIGHT BREAKER PLUS are the best possible choice at present for halogen headlights, because they offer the highest light output with up to 90% more light on the road an an up to 35m longer beam.

For these drivers who accept a shorter service life in favour of their safety, OSRAM offers the NIGHT BREAKER PLUS headlamps with up to 90% more light on the road (compared to standard lamps).
Pros
  1. @ approximately Rs 1400~Rs 1500 for a pair seems decent if it really gives 35 to 40 m more throw, and if it really gives 90% more light than the standard H4.
  2. Plug and Play from what I read - and I assume the length is the same as the standard halogen - in which case, I won't need to get the headlight professionally focused ?
Cons
  1. My OEM H4 has lasted me since 2009 and still going strong. How short is the "shorter service life" of the NB+?
90/100 lamps
  1. Any specific product choice recommendation for the lamp itself?
  2. What would be the specifications of the relay (either kind) and the wiring harness?
  3. Would this require professional installation?
  4. Would I need the headlights to be professionally focused again?
HIDs
From the conversation ^^^ , I think there's more to this than meets my eye. For me simplicity is key. Hence this option is for some other time.

Last edited by joybhowmik : 12th November 2014 at 12:25.
joybhowmik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 12:40   #8556
BHPian
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Goa
Posts: 28
Thanked: 12 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

I have used 130/100 Philips rally bulbs on my now sold i20 for a long time. They were used with a hella relay rated at upto 130 watts if i remember well. Never faced any problems of the lights getting dull or chrome getting spoilt.

My usage of high beams was minimal though as i never felt the same was required as the bulbs were powerful enough on the low beams. Only issue was that there was dust filled in one headlight as the rear cap wasnt fit properly otherwise i would say the combination was bullet proof.

It all depends on the design of headlight also I had plans of putting a relay kit for my 09 model swift but dint go for it instead went ahead with philips xtreme vision an they have lasted for 2+ years now light is brighter than stock and has a very mild whitish tinge overall very satisfied with the setup but definitely miss my i20 setup.
sheldon4888 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 12:41   #8557
BHPian
 
197Horses's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ahmedabad
Posts: 62
Thanked: 56 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
Hi, you'd better be very careful with your reflectors - there is obvious damage on them and that too, within a month.

Your usage is probably not suited to 100/90w and a relay will not help in heat reduction or dissipation - my input would be to immediately revert to the 60/55w bulbs and explore other options such as fitting the Night Breaker or Extreme Vision seried bulbs in BOTH your headlights and foglights.

Another option is to simply invest in a good pair of auxiliary lights from a reputed brand like Hella etc.
Yea i am looking forward about moving back to stock bulbs.
197Horses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 13:34   #8558
Senior - BHPian
 
silversteed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PGT//BLR//STR
Posts: 1,915
Thanked: 1,294 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by joybhowmik View Post
90/100 lamps
  1. Any specific product choice recommendation for the lamp itself?
  2. What would be the specifications of the relay (either kind) and the wiring harness?
  3. Would this require professional installation?
  4. Would I need the headlights to be professionally focused again?
1. I'm using Philips Rally 100/90, and they've served me/are serving me well.
2. Since you are looking for the easiest way, go to any accessory shop and ask for Hella or Philips relay. You can order from eBay also, make sure they are rated for 100/90 or 130/110W bulbs.
3. Not really. You can do it yourself.
4. Ideally, no. However, I'd take a look at the beam pattern on a wall before taking the existing bulbs out, and then compare the new ones' pattern with it, just to be sure. Never had to redo the alignment, but lest you should inadvertently move the alignment screws.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgiitk View Post
@silversteed; I am looking at headlamps with clear fronts. Otherwise things do not work out. With projectors once properly sealed the lights should be kosher. Some of these do not requite any cutting (eg Morimoto) only opening to install.
Professor, I meant headlamps with clear lenses. Hope you agree that the optics are different for HIDs and halogens. And HIDs deliver their best with projectors. Except for a few projectors such as the Morimoto Mini, the others are not PnP and require some amount of cutting the reflector

Last edited by silversteed : 12th November 2014 at 13:52.
silversteed is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 14:35   #8559
BHPian
 
Sommos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bhilai, CG.
Posts: 985
Thanked: 671 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by joybhowmik View Post
[*]@ approximately Rs 1400~Rs 1500 for a pair seems decent if it really gives 35 to 40 m more throw, and if it really gives 90% more light than the standard H4.[*]Plug and Play from what I read - and I assume the length is the same as the standard halogen - in which case, I won't need to get the headlight professionally focused ?[/list]Cons[list=1][*]My OEM H4 has lasted me since 2009 and still going strong. How short is the "shorter service life" of the NB+?
I'm using the NB+ for more than two years. The life is actually in hours and it all depends on your usage pattern. Don't have any way to measure the increase in throw and illumination, but there is perceivable difference over the stock headlights say 40-50%.

About HID+Projector, apart from what have already been mentioned by various members, the cost involved is huge. At the same time if you go for FXR projectors the result is unmatched.

The decision is all yours.
Sommos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th November 2014, 15:40   #8560
Distinguished - BHPian
 
sgiitk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Kanpur
Posts: 6,638
Thanked: 3,056 Times
Infractions: 0/1 (4)
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

@Sommos; I have NB+ H4s in my Brio for a couple of years. Output is significantly more. Remember with the same wattage you have to run the filament hotter - bluer and maybe some compromise on life. However, they claim a longer life!
sgiitk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2014, 12:18   #8561
Senior - BHPian
 
audioholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: BengaLuru
Posts: 2,589
Thanked: 2,937 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by joybhowmik View Post
[*]Any specific product choice recommendation for the lamp itself?[*]What would be the specifications of the relay (either kind) and the wiring harness?[*]Would this require professional installation?[*]Would I need the headlights to be professionally focused again?[/list]HIDs
From the conversation ^^^ , I think there's more to this than meets my eye. For me simplicity is key. Hence this option is for some other time.

Even I would vote for the Rally 100/90. Has been on my car from around four years and it has been trouble free. Guess these bulbs pop out earlier than stock bulbs but since they cost just 150 each, it wouldnt be much of a hindrance. However I have been running the first bulb till date since my usage is very less. I use the headlamps only on dark roads and have rarely used high beam apart from flashing.

Installation is simple and can be DIY if you know where the headlights are and where the battery terminal is

Though my reflector hasnt shown any signs of damage or fading I would still advise you to switch off the headlights when in bumper to bumper traffic or when the car is stationary.
audioholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2014, 12:24   #8562
Distinguished - BHPian
 
saket77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Ranchi
Posts: 2,948
Thanked: 2,841 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Using Philips Rally 100/90 for about 5 years now on my Zen. Haven't gone kaput since then and lighting is good. Cost is also very reasonable. I paid 150 bucks per piece way back in 2009. Should not be more than 200 at present.

Regards,
Saket
saket77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2014, 14:26   #8563
Senior - BHPian
 
danlalan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: mumbai,JUHU
Posts: 1,582
Thanked: 122 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Whats the best lamps for the projector in the fabia. Dont want yellow. White or white with a hint of yellow will do.

Also are these(in pic) bi xenon projectors or just plain projectors. The upper and dipper are in the same projector.

As seen in picture there are fog lamps too. If iam going white in the headlights ill like the same color temp in the fogs. Hence what setup is best.

And lastly should i go in for the HID kit. @ what price in mumbai or just bulbs.


http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...1&d=1415868745
danlalan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2014, 14:59   #8564
Senior - BHPian
 
S_U_N's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Pune
Posts: 1,764
Thanked: 365 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Quote:
Originally Posted by 197Horses View Post
Yea i am looking forward about moving back to stock bulbs.
I think it is a good decision. It seems your reflector cannot take the heat generated by those high wattage bulbs.
Now that the reflector is damaged, you will see more light scatter from that reflector when you see the lights against the wall.
To test this, park the car with lights facing a wall and cover one light with a thick towel. Then observe the light pattern and intensity. Now repeat the same for the other light.


Quote:
Originally Posted by danlalan View Post
Whats the best lamps for the projector in the fabia. Dont want yellow. White or white with a hint of yellow will do.

Also are these(in pic) bi xenon projectors or just plain projectors. The upper and dipper are in the same projector.

As seen in picture there are fog lamps too. If iam going white in the headlights ill like the same color temp in the fogs. Hence what setup is best.

And lastly should i go in for the HID kit. @ what price in mumbai or just bulbs.


http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...1&d=1415868745
Your attachment did not open.
General rule- Single bulb with two filaments -go for-> Bi-xenon projectors
Yellow light is the best. White gets washed out during rains. Blue is useless.
So, <4000K is the the only good option.
Edit: Morimoto original can be obtained from AV Tuning in Mumbai. Pricing on the website itself.
http://www.avstuning.com/

Last edited by S_U_N : 13th November 2014 at 15:01.
S_U_N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th November 2014, 16:05   #8565
Senior - BHPian
 
danlalan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: mumbai,JUHU
Posts: 1,582
Thanked: 122 Times
Default Re: Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Thats the headlight. I hope it shows now.
Attached Thumbnails
Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here-img_20141109_140253.jpg  

danlalan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Mobile Phone Thread - Queries, decisions, discussions all here ravi_28_8 Gadgets, Computers & Software 11182 3rd December 2016 17:34
Automobile Insurance Queries? Ask me rjvora_2000 Indian Car Loans & Insurance 3713 2nd December 2016 19:09
The Royal Enfield Mechanics Thread: All mechanics requirements and queries here sreerajunnithan Motorbikes 416 8th October 2016 21:04
Formal dressing and tailoring for all occassions (EDIT: Put all your queries here) manaa45 Shifting gears 71 17th February 2016 10:05
The Guitar Thread - Post all Queries,tabs and info here TributE Shifting gears 77 15th June 2015 13:30


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 03:37.

Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks