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Old 22nd July 2017, 00:05   #10576
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The cost of One Headlight Assembly of Depon on partsbigboss.in is Rs. 1785/- + Shipping.

The cost of One Headlight Assembly at M&M Authorised Spares Outlet is Rs. 3400/-

Which ones to go for?
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Look at these pics of my Xylo's stock headlights, both were about 1 year old, and we're replaced under warranty. These web like patterns started to appear about 6 months after I bought the car. However the replacement headlights have not developed such patterns till now and I hope they won't in future as well. Even while they were replacing the headlights I rejected at least 5-6 of them as they had black spots on the inner chrome strips. So, OEM = Quality may not always true, but OEM = Peace of Mind is usually always true.

Headlights are very important components of a car both aesthetically and functionally, so choose OEM.

However if you don't want OEM, I would suggest:
1. Go to the Mahindra spare part dealer, usually they keep both, OEM & non-OEM. You can visually inspect the product before buying and can check quality beforehand. Prices will be lower as after GST online product prices have increased significantly and you will get some warranty even on the non-OEM headlight.
2. A lot of shops and scrapyards sell refurbished OEM headlights for as low as 30% off the actual price. You get the original stuff for a bargain. I usually do this for older cars of mine. But this could be time consuming.

Also you said the front glass is deteriorated, could you elaborate? If it's the white smudge that appears on the headlights, you may try the toothpaste trick to clean it.
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Doesnt your owner's manual have the details of the bulb type ?
Nope, these are a friend's aftermarket driving lamp bulb.
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Gentlemen, can any of you identify the type of bulb shown in the picture? The holder design is also shown alongside. I am unable to identify or procure a spare bulb of this design.

looks like a "bi pin" base lamp - there are many sizes of this which more or look the same, but the one that shows up the most is G4.

I stumbled onto this because my last rental house uses a 220V variant of this in one of the bedroom lamps, and had to buy a couple of them until i got the right size, wattage etc

there are multiple versions of it available online with different wattages, including LED versions

but the foglamp housing looks like it was made for one of the regular sizes (H11 etc) and the manufacturer jugaaded this plastic adapter and holder to use this bulb instead. if it was designed for a different bulb type, using the correct bulb may give you proper focussing

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The cost of One Headlight Assembly of Depon on partsbigboss.in is Rs. 1785/- + Shipping.

The cost of One Headlight Assembly at M&M Authorised Spares Outlet is Rs. 3400/-
the difference may be because some of them come without the headlight leveling motor - i have been given conflicting information about whether the motor from your current HL can be removed and fit into the new assembly. some mechs say it can be done, other say it can't

check out industrybuying also - i have bought from them, and their service was reasonably good (for an exhaust fan). they seem to have a lumax assembly. Lumax is a more established vendor, and the cost is only slightly higher

please check with the your mechanic about swapping leveler motors, and if they can't, confirm with the seller if the hla comes with its own motor before buying

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looks like a "bi pin" base lamp - there are many sizes of this which more or look the same, but the one that shows up the most is G4.
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but the foglamp housing looks like it was made for one of the regular sizes (H11 etc) and the manufacturer jugaaded this plastic adapter and holder to use this bulb instead. if it was designed for a different bulb type, using the correct bulb may give you proper focussing
Thanks, I'll check that out.
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i have been given conflicting information about whether the motor from your current HL can be removed and fit into the new assembly.
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please check with the your mechanic about swapping leveler motors, and if they can't, confirm with the seller if the hla comes with its own motor before buying
At least for M&M & Maruti, the leveller motor is swappable, and comes as a separate unit, not part of HL assembly.
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Gentlemen, can any of you identify the type of bulb shown in the picture? The holder design is also shown alongside. I am unable to identify or procure a spare bulb of this design.

These are H27 or 881 bulbs, used in fog lamps.

Found an amazon link - http://www.amazon.in/Philips-H27W-12.../dp/B00NAZH29O
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You said the front glass is deteriorated, could you elaborate? If it's the white smudge that appears on the headlights, you may try the toothpaste trick to clean it.
I have tried to clean with the Colgate Strong Teeth Toothpaste (Non- Gel Type). But No Positive Results. And this can be seen from the Pictures Below-
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the difference may be because some of them come without the headlight leveling motor - i have been given conflicting information about whether the motor from your current HL can be removed and fit into the new assembly.

industrybuying seem to have a lumax assembly. Lumax is a more established vendor, and the cost is only slightly higher

please check with the your mechanic about swapping leveler motors, and if they can't, confirm with the seller if the hla comes with its own motor before buying
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The above pictures are of RH Headlight. As seen from the above pictures, I think the Motor can be removed and fitted to another headlight i.e. it can be swapped. There is a Removable Lock seen above the Headlight Level Adjuster Screw. I will check tomorrow in daylight.

Thanks for the M2All Picture. I have checked M2ALL and spoke to Customer Support. He replied that he will revert to me on Monday as the Relevant Team is not available.

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Thanks, I'll check that out.

At least for M&M & Maruti, the leveller motor is swappable, and comes as a separate unit, not part of HL assembly.
I will check tomorrow in daylight.


BTW, I would like to fit the Headlights of Refreshed Model if they are compatible (the mounts match) with our Xylo and the price difference is not much.
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I have tried to clean with the Colgate Strong Teeth Toothpaste (Non- Gel Type). But No Positive Results. And this can be seen from the Pictures Below-
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Toothpaste is not enough. Try going to a body shop and ask them to try with some polishing compound and a machine polisher. If this happened because of 90w headlights, this will keep on happening- you may want to consider investing in an hid kit or some good branded fogs
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Toothpaste is not enough. Try going to a body shop and ask them to try with some polishing compound and a machine polisher. If this happened because of 90w headlights, this will keep on happening- you may want to consider investing in an hid kit or some good branded fogs
Yes, the 100/90W bulb was used previously.
But long enough (@4 years ago) I stopped using it. Currently 60/55W Bulbs do duty in Xylo (and our Elite i20)
I am a Strict Hater of Bulbs above Stock (Manufacturer) configuration.

Don't beat me for this Off-topic line-
Those who use Bulbs higher than 60/55W in their vehicles For On-Road Purpose (atleast in India), Remember "KARMA IS WATCHING YOU".
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Old 23rd July 2017, 02:27   #10584
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BTW, I would like to fit the Headlights of Refreshed Model if they are compatible (the mounts match) with our Xylo and the price difference is not much.
Yes they are compatible I believe as I have seen a couple of 1st Gen Xylos running on the new gen headlights. Price as per m2all is ₹4105. But do buy after visually inspecting them as I had to reject atleast 5-6 before choosing the one with the least flaws.
Posting a picture of my Xylo, you can compare new gen headlights vs the old gen. New gen definitely looks way better.
Also check OLX, search under spares parts category you might find people around your area who can provide you a better deal.
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I have tried to clean with the Colgate Strong Teeth Toothpaste (Non- Gel Type). But No Positive Results.
Looking at the condition of your headlights, there seem to be two possibilities:

1) the plastic has been stained severely by age and would only be possible to clean with a rubbing compound and a buffing machine with relevant brush so as to facilitate rubbing off of the stained outer layer. Simple toothpaste-brush won't do here.

2) the lights are dirty from the inside as well and would have to be cleaned from the inside by the detailing guys or specialists who do this.

There are people who do this in Mumbai and other big cities too. Results are mostly spectacular.


Only caution needed is to go to a guy who is reputed and reseals the fixture properly(if he does it by opening it up, for internal cleaning) after opening so it doesn't fog up while washing later. Also a good bargain would make it worthwhile as compared to a new light.

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Yes, the 100/90W bulb was used previously.
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my Xylo's headlights are also faded, and I have been always using 90/100's bulb (Philips Rally), with reputed brands relay wiring of 90/100 or even 100/130 rating. The excess heat generated will surely take a toll on the material. Many vehicles do not see this effect for even longer period (maybe eventually will deteriorate), depends on the material (plastic quality, glass rarely used these days), period of usage for lights, etc.

Very long back, in the initial periods, I had used 100/130 for brief period, and it caused even more heat, that internal reflector area had turned black. That assembly was replaced under warranty, reason being I had raised a complaint of faulty leveler motor long ago, but due to part unavailability the job was not done. So, during that interim period I tried 130/100, and later MM didnt even mind! Franky speaking, I have never actually used this leveler, just touched few times to see weather its really working. Beware, long period of unused period would jam the leveler motor, so maybe once in a while just move the leveler. Even with the replaced HL assembly, I started using 90/100, keeping the stock 55/60 bulbs as spare. Obviously I also have spare bulbs of Philips Rally 90/100

Currently in my vehicle, the internal area mostly looks clean (not turned dull), but the exterior part is quite dull, with some film formed over it. The light throw & output is overall good (its 90/100!), maybe if HL was clean then light would be even better. Few times I used the tooth-paste method, once used a 2K rubbing compound, and light rubbing with a smooth emery paper, and recently even tried "Formula1 Head Light restorer" - all failed. In a way, such tasks just gave an exercise to my arms!! The chipping (crackly film) on the plastic is not removed. I know few shops who clean the HL, quoting me Rs.600 per unit. They open the assembly, clean the internals, polish the externals & re-seal the unit. However, with some apprehension (they need dismantle the assembly, and also open the unit), didn't do it. Also, I didn't feel that internals needs to be cleaned in my case. I personally feel that with some mild rubbing compound, and a rotor polish brush, good cleaning could be achieved, havnt tried though.

You can try contacting Boodmo.com (RH & LH) as they mention about OEM specs, and check Lumax brand (with motor) from local store.

Few months back I installed the "5D 60W LED Work Light CREE Chips 7" Spot Beam", and it served me well, though I use it quite less.

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I have tried to clean with the Colgate Strong Teeth Toothpaste (Non- Gel Type). But No Positive Results. And this can be seen from the Pictures Below-
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Tooth paste is too mild. What is the abrasive - talc. I have had excellent results on my old Hyundai Santro with Scratch out. So may be you try that. I think there are a couple of threads dedicated to this issue on TBHP. I remember extensive discussions there.
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Sorry to be a party pooper, the alignment is OFF.

Fogging is due to moisture inside. Did you pressure wash the car within 2-3 days of the install or left it standing in the rain? If not, the resealing is not done properly.
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RHS one is
I think the reason you feel it is off because the wall has a pillar which is giving that effect. In terms of fogging, I have noticed that little fogging seems to be pretty normal in most projector setups (my 2015 Jetta has it too); however this one seems a bit more and hence we have resealed it.

Here are the pics of the cut off on a straight wall.
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I think the reason you feel it is off because the wall has a pillar which is giving that effect. In terms of fogging, I have noticed that little fogging seems to be pretty normal in most projector setups (my 2015 Jetta has it too); however this one seems a bit more and hence we have resealed it.

Here are the pics of the cut off on a straight wall.
Maybe I'm being pedantic but the RHS headlight's cut-off is not parallel to the one on the left, it's a little skewed.
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however this one seems a bit more and hence we have resealed it.
Hope the resealing works. Do update

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Maybe I'm being pedantic but the RHS headlight's cut-off is not parallel to the one on the left, it's a little skewed.
I don't think it is the alignment. Mini super projectors have this bowing issue. If you notice carefully, the cut off is going down towards the ground (can make out on RHS cut off pic). You need to park your car at good distance and then take a pic which captures cut off of both sides end to end to get a clear picture. Anyways, this bowing would not affect much in terms of practicality.

Also, I can observe that there is difference in colour between LHS and RHS cut off. I do not know if it's due to camera. Do check it again and update.

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