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Old 16th April 2011, 11:13   #1
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Hi Everybody,
Kindly guide me regarding remapping of X Trail ( 2.0 L Diesel). I am willing to spend up to 50K. Already ordered K & N filter.
Not convinced with tuning box (Already used Pete's in Swift VDI).
I stay in Surat and not much info available here.
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Old 16th April 2011, 13:19   #2
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Just try KIIRUS tuning. The tune the ecu. they charge 22k for it and also provided a free k&n Filter.
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Dear Raosaheb,

Please run away from any remap options. Your X-Trail is a CBU, whose fully imported parts aren't exactly cheap. Plus, the vehicle is yet within the standard warranty period. From my review experience with the X-Trail, the engine has excellent punch, whatever the driving conditions. Honestly, it's quick enough in stock form.

We can revisit the topic once your X-Trail is older, and out of the warranty period. If & when you do want to remap, please choose a company that specialises in Nissan engines. I wouldn't choose Kiirus remaps for such a premium vehicle.
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Old 18th April 2011, 11:07   #4
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Thanks for advice GTO
Initially I inquired about Pete's Box but was bit reluctant cos I tried it in Laura and result was not impressive in auto-box when compared to Octy manual.
Right now I will go for K&N and will think about Tunning after a year.
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Dear Raosaheb,

Please run away from any remap options. Your X-Trail is a CBU, whose fully imported parts aren't exactly cheap. Plus, the vehicle is yet within the standard warranty period. From my review experience with the X-Trail, the engine has excellent punch, whatever the driving conditions. Honestly, it's quick enough in stock form.

We can revisit the topic once your X-Trail is older, and out of the warranty period. If & when you do want to remap, please choose a company that specialises in Nissan engines. I wouldn't choose Kiirus remaps for such a premium vehicle.



Why would you do that ? They have tuned BMW's Audi's & the like. Surely the X-trail cnanot be more complicated or is it ?? Any particular reason for not being sure about KIIRUS ?

Just curious.




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Any particular reason for not being sure about KIIRUS ?
For such a premium vehicle costing over 20 lakh rupees, I'd only trust a pro-grade outfit (like Red Rooster for instance). Kiirus is a player that primarily operates on the field. And they don't even have their own workshop with trained technicians or equipment. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a player that doesn't have a solid base, or one that hasn't made a solid enough investment. Not saying they will, but the exit route is much too easy.

Remaps et all are fun until something goes wrong. A messed-up XTrail engine can cost lakhs to repair. That's why I recommend Raosaheb to only consider products from Nissan experts or, very honestly, avoid the remap route altogether. The X-Trail is the quickest diesel SUV in that segment. Quicker than the Fortuner too.

EDIT on 6th October : It's been brought to my notice that Kiirus does indeed have a workshop (though they still majorly service on the field). Doesn't matter, having driven their remapped car, I still do NOT believe in their remaps. If things go wrong, and they frequently do with modified cars, you are looking at big $$$ bills. Plus, their remapped car that I drove didn't feel like it made any more power than stock!!! Money down the tubes, really, and you lose factory warranty too. There are better ways to spend money than a Kiruus remap. If I had to choose a remap, I'd go with better known, more established brands.

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Hi Everybody,
Kindly guide me regarding remapping of X Trail ( 2.0 L Diesel). I am willing to spend up to 50K. Already ordered K & N filter.
Not convinced with tuning box (Already used Pete's in Swift VDI).
I stay in Surat and not much info available here.
Now why would you be interested in pepping up an X-Trail? I suggest you stay happy with 150 horses. Maybe you can try the Nismo route in case that isnt enough. btw, does Nismo tune diesel engines?

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For such a premium vehicle costing over 20 lakh rupees, I'd only trust a pro-grade outfit (like Red Rooster for instance). Kiirus is a player that primarily operates on the field. And they don't even have their own workshop with trained technicians or equipment. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a player that doesn't have a solid base, or one that hasn't made a solid enough investment. Not saying they will, but the exit route is much too easy.

Remaps et all are fun until something goes wrong. A messed-up XTrail engine can cost lakhs to repair. That's why I recommend Raosaheb to only consider products from Nissan experts or, very honestly, avoid the remap route altogether. The X-Trail is the quickest diesel SUV in that segment. Quicker than the Fortuner too.
Interesting information GTO. X-Trail is the quickest is it? Amazing!
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There was this guy who I had considered for a remap of the Laura (diesel PD), based on info and contacts on TBHP and the web.

I was almost about to close the deal when he mentioned that post the remap I would have to use only premium diesel as post remap it would require the higher cetane count number that this would provide.

This made me back out as I am aware that 1) Manufacturers insist that premium diesels should not be used to the particles in the additives that can block the injectors etc. 2) Premium diesels do not have a higher cetane count - unlike in the case of petrols where higher octane count is available.

The tuner kept insisting that premium diesel would be essential to get the performance out of the car post remap. And that helped me decide since the tuner obviously did not know the subject well enough and was confused between petrol and diesel. The rates were really attractive but he did not give the confidence we need incase something goes wrong.

Would not like to specifically name the tuner that suggested this but it should suffice to say that an action suggested earlier in this thread could have lead to the same crossroad. If at all you need a boost get an external box (like Pete box) that you can remove and put away. The performance through Remap based tunning will be better if done by the right person but the problems that you could face for a job messed up would also be equally problematic if done by the wrong guy.
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For such a premium vehicle costing over 20 lakh rupees, I'd only trust a pro-grade outfit (like Red Rooster for instance). Kiirus is a player that primarily operates on the field. And they don't even have their own workshop with trained technicians or equipment. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a player that doesn't have a solid base, or one that hasn't made a solid enough investment. Not saying they will, but the exit route is much too easy.

Remaps et all are fun until something goes wrong. A messed-up XTrail engine can cost lakhs to repair. That's why I recommend Raosaheb to only consider products from Nissan experts or, very honestly, avoid the remap route altogether. The X-Trail is the quickest diesel SUV in that segment. Quicker than the Fortuner too.

Ok get your point. But from what I gather the KIIRUS guys know their business, having said that I have no direct experience, hence would refrain from commenting. I do see your point about the exit route though..

Thanks for the clarification - appreciate it !


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There was this guy who I had considered for a remap of the Laura (diesel PD), based on info and contacts on TBHP and the web.

I was almost about to close the deal when he mentioned that post the remap I would have to use only premium diesel as post remap it would require the higher cetane count number that this would provide.

This made me back out as I am aware that 1) Manufacturers insist that premium diesels should not be used to the particles in the additives that can block the injectors etc. 2) Premium diesels do not have a higher cetane count - unlike in the case of petrols where higher octane count is available.

The tuner kept insisting that premium diesel would be essential to get the performance out of the car post remap. And that helped me decide since the tuner obviously did not know the subject well enough and was confused between petrol and diesel. The rates were really attractive but he did not give the confidence we need incase something goes wrong.

Would not like to specifically name the tuner that suggested this but it should suffice to say that an action suggested earlier in this thread could have lead to the same crossroad. If at all you need a boost get an external box (like Pete box) that you can remove and put away. The performance through Remap based tunning will be better if done by the right person but the problems that you could face for a job messed up would also be equally problematic if done by the wrong guy.

Now that is "interesting" High Octane Diesel That would certainly be a first. My Octavia has a Pete's remap NOT box & has been running since 2007-08 on regular diesel without any trouble as yet.

Thanks for sharing !






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hi
there are new tuning boxes now sold which are multichannel
but nobody sell them in india since this engine is a renualt 2.0 dci 110kw watts can easly use this new multichannel tuning box
which can easily increase power to 138kw
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Old 12th August 2011, 10:07   #11
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Hi,
After 14k kms, installed Racechip tuning box and now at 16k got Philips DRL LED.
These looks cool and have auto-dimming function when parking/headlamp switched on. Which is good to avoid glare.

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Parking Lights/Fog ON

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Looks good, but if it is still possible try and put the DRLs in the lower grill. I think it looks a bit cluttered here and will look much better there. What say?
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Looks good, but if it is still possible try and put the DRLs in the lower grill. I think it looks a bit cluttered here and will look much better there. What say?
Agreed,
Mounting on lower grill was bit curvy. Also nowadays I travel through almost knee deep muddy water hence worried to place them below fog level.
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I agree with GTO and would not mess around with the ECU box of such a premium vehicle. I have driven ab Xtrail and find the power and delivery great. OF course it depends on your usage but im sure you were not thinking of dragging with it

If at all it was to be done, rather than go in for what is available here, i would search which are the companies that specialize in tuning boxes for the Nissan and get one from them. I have had the misfortune with many a ECU available here. If the ecu is remapped, the maps are not given to you, inspite of being promised. Then you realize one day that the dealer is changed. In any case, i have personal experience that the dealers Do NOT have expertise in tuning your ecu as per your requirement. The Boss has to handle it. No dealer can do it. What they do is usually a trial and error on your car by loading preset maps and claiming to have tuned it themselves. The whole damn community is full of unscrupulous people like that so beware. Sorry if some tuners are reading this and i may not mean YOU in particular but im sure even you would agree with my last statement.
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Agreed,
Mounting on lower grill was bit curvy. Also nowadays I travel through almost knee deep muddy water hence worried to place them below fog level.
I feel the present location of the DRL's is ideal. The DRL's are there to improve vehicle visibility. Locating them in the lower grille would not really help.

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