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Old 29th January 2012, 21:12   #46
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Being a CBR owner, I would say that it is definitely value for money and economical to maintain. The spare parts and quality issues are also sorted now.
Slightly off topic question for you. You said spare issues are sorted and that your location is Bangalore, where do you usually take your CBR for service? Got mine 12 days back so 1st service coming up..so wanted to check?
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slightly off topic but i was just browsing through ktm's website and it says the 200 duke needs 95octane fuel. in the tech specs section of the duke 200 page. i would have definitely confirmed this as it is a big pain finding pumps stocking 93 or 97 octane fuel in delhi atleast. i mean i know there are 5-10 pumps which do have 97 but then its gonna be a real bondation if the bike knocks or pings without 97
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slightly off topic but i was just browsing through ktm's website and it says the 200 duke needs 95octane fuel. in the tech specs section of the duke 200 page. i would have definitely confirmed this as it is a big pain finding pumps stocking 93 or 97 octane fuel in delhi atleast. i mean i know there are 5-10 pumps which do have 97 but then its gonna be a real bondation if the bike knocks or pings without 97
I did read somewhere that the fuel mapping has been changed over European Counterpart to deal with the awful fuel quality in India, however, I think you still require at least 93oct.
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I did read somewhere that the fuel mapping has been changed over European Counterpart to deal with the awful fuel quality in India, however, I think you still require at least 93oct.
You're right. Have read the same thing. Also, going by price of 97 octane petrol it doesn't make much marketing sense for a bike that costs well under 1.5 lacs..fuel mappings must have been changed.

Although, one question that can be asked is whether Engine specifications would hold true for 95 or 93 Octane fuel.What I mean is that is the output of 25bhp rated for 97 octane or for all variants. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't octane content related to specific output(power per unit fuel) of fuel and thus output of fuel-air mixture for a given capacity engine
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So were you comfortable on the bike? Do share some pics...
I was very comfortable on the bike. It was not cramped. The height and pegs and the wide handle suited me perfectly. Only gripe (hair-splitting at best) was that with slightly longish legs, the knees were touching the flare on the tank recesses on both sides - will just have to learn how to tuck them differently. The pegs are slightly rear set - though not as much in the sport tourer type category. The seat is comfortable, and happily not narrow. The seat and tank have perfect tuck and taper, so short guys should not have much of an issue.

The below link is of me and my 14 year old son (though he looks more excited on the Ninja!).

I am 6' and 92 kilos, he is 5'8" and 65 kilos. Hope that gives you some idea of the proportions.

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Exactly!
Thats what even i meant akshayasok!
But unfortunately, people want an ABS feature on a bike, just to feel superior to the others! Indians feel that ABS would really help them in controlling the bike and in riding safely!
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Old 30th January 2012, 15:30   #52
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Hey guys, Thanks for the views! Will reply to individual posts later.

For now; Here are few pics of my friend on the duke..!

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@GTO: I wanted to attach the pics in my previous post but the attachment tool was not functional.
How tall is your friend? Would give us an idea about the proportions of the bike.
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You're right. Have read the same thing. Also, going by price of 97 octane petrol it doesn't make much marketing sense for a bike that costs well under 1.5 lacs..fuel mappings must have been changed.

Although, one question that can be asked is whether Engine specifications would hold true for 95 or 93 Octane fuel.What I mean is that is the output of 25bhp rated for 97 octane or for all variants. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't octane content related to specific output(power per unit fuel) of fuel and thus output of fuel-air mixture for a given capacity engine
From what I know, Octane ratings does not affect power in low capacity bikes(same holds true for cars) like the Duke 200. If it was something like a Ducati 1098 or other suberbikes u would definitely notice a slight difference in power with relation to the octane rating

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Exactly!
Thats what even i meant akshayasok!
But unfortunately, people want an ABS feature on a bike, just to feel superior to the others! Indians feel that ABS would really help them in controlling the bike and in riding safely!
Just adding an ABS to the name of ur bikes adds 'prestige' lol. IMO If you dont know how to brake smaller bikes under control without ABS , u cant do with it either!
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The Complete xBhp Review : KTM 200 Baby Duke Mega Review - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

^ That my friend should give you an idea of the 'duke'. I appolologize, if somebody has already led you to this link.
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WOW!! That is the most awesome review I have ever read!!!!
Magnificent.
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good choice
for me the honda looks somewhat like a old man compared to the duke
no offense its purely my view
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I did read somewhere that the fuel mapping has been changed over European Counterpart to deal with the awful fuel quality in India, however, I think you still require at least 93oct.
Kolkata dealership told me KTM Duke 200 requires 91 octane or better with the 1st service at 1000 km and 2nd onwards at 5000 km intervals. I was curious about how these figures compare with the CBR.
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From what I know, Octane ratings does not affect power in low capacity bikes(same holds true for cars) like the Duke 200. If it was something like a Ducati 1098 or other suberbikes u would definitely notice a slight difference in power with relation to the octane rating



Just adding an ABS to the name of ur bikes adds 'prestige' lol. IMO If you dont know how to brake smaller bikes under control without ABS , u cant do with it either!
Im sorry, but i guess you didnt understand what i was trying to tell you. Its not like I am totally with the point of ABS availability on a 250cc bike. I am saying that people want it, because they find it prestigious. Had no intentions to go completely with the point of having ABS.
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While some people equip their cars/bikes with ABS because it is (generally) the priciest variant - and therefore the chest-swelling feeling of owning the most expensive variant; some people who get the optional ABS, genuinely understand the importance of the feature. Heck, we shouldn't even call it a feature, because it is 'supposed' to be part of standard-equipment in the first place.

But that's an entirely OT discussion, that we must hold on to, for another thread and for another day. For now, Let's stick to the topic please.

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I have told him to go for the DUKE!
First ask him to drive both the bikes. He needs to feel her before making the decision.


I have ridden CBR and it has to be revved up for torque and good fun. Sitting posture is racing style and not good for a fat-tall person.
If he is a racer category person who like high revs, I would recommend to go for Honda. CBR can give long engine life as I felt the engine is not under pressure. ABS is the greatest and one of the most important feature that one can have on Indian roads where the skidding due to sand and water on road is the highest while braking. Definitely your friends dad is wise on that part.

I have not ride Duke. If he is a show-off city driver, then Duke is probably the choice. My doubts are there on the engine life, as Bajaj has created this engine and trying to extract maximum power from it.
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