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Old 13th March 2016, 22:27   #76
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I got Pilot Street Radial fitted on the front and *hold your breath* Vee Rubber VR193 130/80-17 for the rear. The latter purchase does not stand to reason as evinced by the overwhelming advice on this thread.
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Apologies for that. My only defense is that I did it for science and paranoia:
  • I have ridden on similar tyres (TVS Jumbo and Ceat Vertigo) for over 50k km. For my style / level of riding those tyres were good enough. Even on the CBR - I hardly top 100, max 110 for brief moments. It should NOT be that bad. Maybe I'm stubborn, maybe I'll learn about the lack of traction firsthand. I don't know - but I want to find out. What better way than to be a guinea pig oneself?
  • I have an upcoming Spiti trip and after this drama in Bilaspur and Mandi, I wanted to change the tyres today itself. With only two weeks to go, and no time next weekend, I was sure these tyres would be better than buying a 2013 Michelin PS Radial or sticking with stock.
Of course, a quick google indicated that it is half the price (3500) in India, compared to USA - so it can't be THAT bad. I'm willing to trot out that much money for my theory!

Wish me luck!

PS: BK Tyres, Lajpat Nagar, has Michelin PS radial in both front and back (supposedly 2015 manufactured). I was too late to go there and figure things out - I didn't want to reach there and find out that there was some misunderstanding. So I took what I could verify right there.

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The Ceats are heavy tires compared to the Metz that come up on the Dukes. This tyre is a VFM at 4.5k per set compared to the Metz but the weight distribution on this tyre is not uniform on the rims. And in India, we rarely find a balancing equipment for a 2 wheeler. So when a wheel starts to spin at a high speed, this imbalance gets magnified and results in vibes and changes in handling. Also the contact patch and the compound of the tyre is way below the Metz. This is the situation which is quoted as "Plain dangerous".
I am still running a Vertigo Sport on my Duke for more than 18k kms till date and I am blown by the off roading and wet capabilities, but on a drag, it limits me to around 120kmph. That is my comfort zone. The rear with around 15% groove seems to last around a couple of thousand more but has started to slide on hard braking and on curves when pushed hard these days. The front however is at 50% and continues to inspire confidence. Hope that clarifies your point.
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That's pretty much how the ContiGos are. The road leading to my house here in BLR is a dirt road and in the rains last year, it was just a handful to control while coming back from the office. One thing I learned is that you just have to get used to it. I keep my eyes peeled on the road for gravel and mud since this is where the tyre performs poorly.

In the dry, with no sand (about 85% of my daily riding route), it's excellent and since it has a decent contact patch, panic braking is super effective. I'd suggest stick with the tyres to learn how the bike reacts to various surfaces, or if you haven't run them in too much, just switch to Michelin Pilot Streets. I believe that's what @Added_flavor has on his CBR and he says they're FAR better than the ContiGos.
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Having used, Conti, Dunlop, MRF Tubless Radial, MRF tubed non radial, Michelin non radial (Pilot Sporty), I will rate in the order of worst to good in terms of following...

Conti < MRF Radial < MRF Tubed non radial < Dunlop < Michelin Pilot Sporty

I'm yet to test Michelin Street Radial & Pirelli Sports Demon & I hope they are as good or better than Michelin Pilot Sporty
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If your running would have been less, I would have suggested you to get the Metzlers. They are really sticky.

The Michelins on the bike make it behave like a normal bike now, earlier there was unevenness and sort of uncertainty while riding. I had a couple of front losing moment.
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If I were you, I'd pick the Michelins. In fact, I did pick Pilot Streets when I had changed the tyres.

Reason being, the Pirelli website says that the PSD is a nylon cross ply tyre, whereas the Michelin Pilot Street is a radial. Relatively speaking, between the two, the latter should be able to hold up better.
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From what I understand, it's better to not upsize or downsize the tyres when you have an ABS braking system.

I'll be switching to Michelin PS radials soonish, right after I get a ram mount, upgrade the headlamps, and install a charger.

A bunch of us just got back from Chikmagalur this weekend, and I realized that the tyres have a lot more potential; I just hadn't explored the grip limits till yesterday. The ContiGos held up incredibly well through the twisties with great lean angles and braking. It might have been better to stick with the tyres for a bit longer. Although that's just my opinion.
Could you say a bit more about the observations in bold above? I would like to understand that better.

I completely agree about the lean angles and outright silly abilities to brake on clean roads. That was a revelation coming from a pulsar 180.

My issue is that my bike is ridden very occasionally except for big rides. It has done 300km since Christmas of which 90km was done today.

I'd rather have a less fun to ride bike 90% of the time, if I can ride without a care in the 10% of the time on bad terrain in the hills. Well that's the theory.

Worst case - I still have my old Contigo with me. Let's see how this goes

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I got Pilot Street Radial fitted on the front and *hold your breath* Vee Rubber VR193 130/80-17 for the rear. The latter purchase does not stand to reason as evinced by the overwhelming advice on this thread. Apologies for that. My only defense is that I did it for science and paranoia:
  • I have ridden on similar tyres (TVS Jumbo and Ceat Vertigo) for over 50k km. For my style / level of riding those tyres were good enough. Even on the CBR - I hardly top 100, max 110 for brief moments. It should NOT be that bad. Maybe I'm stubborn, maybe I'll learn about the lack of traction firsthand. I don't know - but I want to find out. What better way than to be a guinea pig oneself?
  • I have an upcoming Spiti trip and after this drama in Bilaspur and Mandi, I wanted to change the tyres today itself. With only two weeks to go, and no time next weekend, I was sure these tyres would be better than buying a 2013 Michelin PS Radial or sticking with stock.
Of course, a quick google indicated that it is half the price (3500) in India, compared to USA - so it can't be THAT bad. I'm willing to trot out that much money for my theory!

Wish me luck!

PS: BK Tyres, Lajpat Nagar, has Michelin PS radial in both front and back (supposedly 2015 manufactured). I was too late to go there and figure things out - I didn't want to reach there and find out that there was some misunderstanding. So I took what I could verify right there.
From what I understand, it's better to not upsize or downsize the tyres when you have an ABS braking system.

I'll be switching to Michelin PS radials soonish, right after I get a ram mount, upgrade the headlamps, and install a charger.

A bunch of us just got back from Chikmagalur this weekend, and I realized that the tyres have a lot more potential; I just hadn't explored the grip limits till yesterday. The ContiGos held up incredibly well through the twisties with great lean angles and braking. It might have been better to stick with the tyres for a bit longer. Although that's just my opinion.
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Could you say a bit more about the observations in bold above? I would like to understand that better
There's no relationship with the upsizing/downsizing the tires with stock CPR tires and ABS. ABS works on the rotor locking up, not the tires locking up; since the tires are indirectly connected to rotor through alloy wheels, when the tires hold up causes rotors to hold up & ABS to kick in.

That being said, I favor not to change the tire size from stock size unless there's some extensive research done better than all of the Honda engineers.
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I got Pilot Street Radial fitted on the front and *hold your breath* Vee Rubber VR193 130/80-17 for the rear. The latter purchase does not stand to reason as evinced by the overwhelming advice on this thread.
Excellent tyre! Sorry if I missed it in your post but did you get it from "Globe Engineering" @ Karol Bagh? And whattay price!! A fellow rider I know has it on his Duke 390. I checked with him when I was looking for a tyre for my own ride, but he recommended against it for my kind of riding viz road only riding, daily commuting with some high speed fun on the way back home. Too much road use would cause "chunking" of the tyre is what he told me

I look forward to your experience with this one. It would actually be better if you could post your ongoing observations on this thread - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motorb...mpared-38.html (Motorcycle Tyres : Compared!)

Much larger audience

Off topic - I think CBR would make a great naked bike. Some upright bars and get rid of the fairing. Its the same engine thats in the very capable CRF 250 IIRC. Dont think this would be a very difficult or expensive transformation. Should make the bike so much more versatile than it currently is
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Good. My CBR has Michelin tyres at the rear (not radial though) and still has the ContiGo in front - with good amount of tread still left on it. Last weekend, a very slow turn in front of my house without much leaning, caused the front to slip! Now I am not the sort of rider who takes the bike to its limits, but this sort of behavior at such low speeds is really raising questions on ContiGo's capability.

And the rear, though made by the reputed Michelin, is not really confidence inspiring (especially till it gets warmed up) and fishtails a lot on bad patches - and has had its share of punctures as well.

So is Michelin Pilot Street radial still the best set for the CBR? It is about 9.5K a pair.
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Last weekend, a very slow turn in front of my house without much leaning, caused the front to slip! Now I am not the sort of rider who takes the bike to its limits, but this sort of behavior at such low speeds is really raising questions on ContiGo's capability.

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So is Michelin Pilot Street radial still the best set for the CBR? It is about 9.5K a pair.
A few points bud:

- Tires can slip, and I mean any tires. Road conditions matter. My Metz front slid a bit because I was leaned over and hit just a teeny bit a gravel
- Michelins are good tires, jack of most trades master of none. An example of a specialist tyre would be the Metz - Just plain awesome on good roads. On the other end, a Vertigo sport would do best in an off road environ. Michelins are actually a pretty good compromise and have seen them 1st hand taking on some rough stuff as well
- But a flaw in the equation here is that it has limitations in either realm - on and off road. Squirmy on sand and slush. And on the road, you will see it slide if you are riding on a cold night + cold tarmac; getting you lean on. This tyre WILL slide; I guarantee it!

Moral? Don't worry about it too much, unless you see this behavior every other time. Tires tend to slide every now and then, some more than others. Its Ok
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Good. My CBR has Michelin tyres at the rear (not radial though) and still has the ContiGo in front - with good amount of tread still left on it. Last weekend, a very slow turn in front of my house without much leaning, caused the front to slip! Now I am not the sort of rider who takes the bike to its limits, but this sort of behavior at such low speeds is really raising questions on ContiGo's capability.

And the rear, though made by the reputed Michelin, is not really confidence inspiring (especially till it gets warmed up) and fishtails a lot on bad patches - and has had its share of punctures as well.

So is Michelin Pilot Street radial still the best set for the CBR? It is about 9.5K a pair.
Yes, the PSR is still the ideal best set for the CBR. It changes the entire character of the bike. Get that ContiGo tyre out immediately. The non-radial Pilot Sporty is not a good tyre at all.

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A few points bud:

- Tires can slip, and I mean any tires. Road conditions matter. My Metz front slid a bit because I was leaned over and hit just a teeny bit a gravel
- Michelins are good tires, jack of most trades master of none. An example of a specialist tyre would be the Metz - Just plain awesome on good roads. On the other end, a Vertigo sport would do best in an off road environ. Michelins are actually a pretty good compromise and have seen them 1st hand taking on some rough stuff as well
- But a flaw in the equation here is that it has limitations in either realm - on and off road. Squirmy on sand and slush. And on the road, you will see it slide if you are riding on a cold night + cold tarmac; getting you lean on. This tyre WILL slide; I guarantee it!

Moral? Don't worry about it too much, unless you see this behavior every other time. Tires tend to slide every now and then, some more than others. Its Ok
Tires may tend to slide, but you have to ride on the ContiGo to understand how bad they are. The Michelin PSR is good on everything except soft mud and slush (yes I take my bike off roading too, and it holds up very well).

And also, on a cold night with cold tarmac, my bike has never slid. It didn't even slide with rains. That doesn't mean that it isn't a superb tyre. I've heard people on dukes praise the Michelins better than the Metz, which is odd, but the latter just does much better on dry tarmac than almost every other tyre in the category.

What I'm trying to say is that aravind.anand needs to get off his current tyres simply because they're dangerous. I had worn down the edges of the ContiGos down to the steel belts by 14k when they had more than 10k on the centers of the tyres. These abysmal tyres slip like crazy everywhere.
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you have to ride on the ContiGo to understand how bad they are. The Michelin PSR is good on everything except soft mud and slush (yes I take my bike off roading too, and it holds up very well).
I should have read his post more carefully. Just read Michelin and slide and put two and two together; which in my case equaled 5

I have heard multiple riders complain about the bad performance of the Conti go and agree it needs to come off

Its a shame that a bike costing as much as the CBR does comes with such crap of a rubber. At least they could have provided the IRC Roadwinners that come as OEM on the 250R's elsewhere
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Yes, the PSR is still the ideal best set for the CBR. It changes the entire character of the bike. Get that ContiGo tyre out immediately. The non-radial Pilot Sporty is not a good tyre at all.

What I'm trying to say is that aravind.anand needs to get off his current tyres simply because they're dangerous. I had worn down the edges of the ContiGos down to the steel belts by 14k when they had more than 10k on the centers of the tyres. These abysmal tyres slip like crazy everywhere.
Thank you Shenenanigans Yes I too realized the ContiGos at the front are quite dangerous to rely on. This weekend, I am heading to the Michelin tyre store straightaway.

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I should have read his post more carefully. Just read Michelin and slide and put two and two together; which in my case equaled 5

I have heard multiple riders complain about the bad performance of the Conti go and agree it needs to come off

Its a shame that a bike costing as much as the CBR does comes with such crap of a rubber. At least they could have provided the IRC Roadwinners that come as OEM on the 250R's elsewhere
Yes, and the latest bike to join this 'worst tyres for the price you pay' category happens to be the Yamaha R3
Honda and Yamaha should really learn from KTM, Benelli and even Mahindra, who provide quality rubber on their bikes.
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I should have read his post more carefully. Just read Michelin and slide and put two and two together; which in my case equaled 5

I have heard multiple riders complain about the bad performance of the Conti go and agree it needs to come off

Its a shame that a bike costing as much as the CBR does comes with such crap of a rubber. At least they could have provided the IRC Roadwinners that come as OEM on the 250R's elsewhere
I completely agree. The ContiGos are great for, you know, that one bit of dry tarmac on the road that's straight as an arrow. I do believe there was a point of time when the CBR250Rs came with the MRFs like the ones on the first gen R15. I know it's a sports tourer, but with tyres like those, it's more of a commuter/highway tourer.

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Thank you Shenenanigans Yes I too realized the ContiGos at the front are quite dangerous to rely on. This weekend, I am heading to the Michelin tyre store straightaway.

Yes, and the latest bike to join this 'worst tyres for the price you pay' category happens to be the Yamaha R3
Honda and Yamaha should really learn from KTM, Benelli and even Mahindra, who provide quality rubber on their bikes.
Yeah I read about the R3 and the tyre woes. Scary that people are riding that bike with those tyres without ABS. The thing is, the Dunlops on the 650F are not great either. I was telling mashblue on a ride on Sunday that they're the ContiGos for the bigger sibling. When we did a ride through pouring rain coming back from KRS dam, he was telling me he could barely go over 70 on proper tarmac without sliding around while I could cruise along at 90+ comfortably on the same road (the Michelins could only carry me to 100 or so with that rain; refused to go faster).

Obviously there was the thing where we got swimming pools in our pants, but still, if the tyres slide around in rain on proper roads, that's really not good for our conditions here in Bangalore/KA.
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