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Old 27th July 2012, 14:16   #16
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- Long distances? Say a GQ? Is that on your future list? Yes, I've done comfortably
- Short rides? Say around 700 Kms in 9 hours? I've done that comfortably
I am not sure what GQ is, long rides means going nearby places around delhi like Agra, jaipur, Nainital, mussorie etc.

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Whatever motorcycle you buy, don't forget to buy riding gears; they're like insurance, you don't know when they'll come handy, but, if you miss them, you're sure to spend a lot of time (forget money) on health!!!
I've taken a note of it will buy necessary stuffs.

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Last but not the least, you're comparing 2 naked models (P200NS & D200) with a fairing model C250R. First go based on what's your preference; understand the pros & cons of fairing vs naked motorcycles. If your riding to office munches mor Kms than anything else, then no point buying a faired motorcycle because fairing is top priority when it comes to high speed riding WITH CONTROL & to avoid wind blasts. For city (esp this country) slow speed riding, they don't play major role.
Yes fairing plays important rode when ridign high speed, but i like the looks of CBR250.. It looks really code and very eye catching with performance.

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I suggest you look up for Aargee's FAQ on CBR for more insight on CBR250. You ll also see the distances he s covered on his bike.
I have read the post.. i must say it was very informative. Good work Aargee.

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Old 27th July 2012, 15:06   #17
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Raj though i am sure you have got the answer main question. you can certainly ride the bike with a laptop bag on your back or on your shoulder. i have seen some one carying sabji on his super bike and that too in a Poly bag and so after seeing that i can rest asure you that you can cary a laptop.
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I am not sure what GQ is, long rides means going nearby places around delhi like Agra, jaipur, Nainital, mussorie etc
AAha...good GK, see this post - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motorb...ml#post2809416 (Honda CBR 250R Review)

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Yes fairing plays important rode when ridign high speed, but i like the looks of CBR250.. It looks really code and very eye catching with performance
Up to you, but that's a wrong approach; you'll have another eye candy bike in 3 months, then you'll regret buying CBR. Go based on needs, you'll never regret.
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Old 27th July 2012, 17:39   #19
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I think I'm going receive quite a lot of stick for giving you another option. If you want a big, comfortable bike, why not look at the ZMA?

It's cheaper, very comfortable, riding position is spot on for commuting and is extremely reliable. I understand it's dated blah blah blah, but why not just take a test ride once? I've been using it for over 18 months now and it suits my needs perfectly. The added bonus is the fact that the rear seat is far more comfortable than any of the options you've mentioned. (Although I've not seen the 200NS yet)

Do set your priorities before buying; though old school, it's still a brilliant bike. Whatever your decision, invest atleast 10% of the bike's cost on riding gear.
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Old 27th July 2012, 20:34   #20
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IMHO RE 350 is a very good option, especially the new ones since they offer much more comfort than the older ones, I used my RE as a daily commuter for a very long time, (is an older model though), If it is maintained well, nothing beats it Otherwise ZMA, and Pulsar 220 can also be considered. You could also take a look at the Yamaha bikes, there are some good ones !!
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Hey Raj ,
your dilemma is there on everyone's mind when they are settled in a job, married and has a kid and driven enough of cars, suddenly you feel where is the fun that all college youngsters seem to have on their bikes.
Been there done that

I have a RX-135(5-speed) and a RE std. 350 (1996) model.

I commute to office using my car(Dzire) and use my Rx when I feel down and bored of the traffic. The adrenaline rush on a Yamaha 2 stroke(including RD 350) is irreplaceable by the current crop of Bikes in India as of now.
If that is what you are looking at, then look no further than Duke 200.

If you are upgrading from Pulsar 150 and you do not need any surprises from your new bike and still want it to be fast and a modern mill, then Pulsar 200 NS is the bike for you.

Its during those weekends, when you want to feel the man - machine magic, I take my RE Bullet out and keep thumping around aimlessly for a couple of hours and venture outside the city. No mad rush traffic handling is a left shifting non disc brake Bullets is all about. If that is what you are looking at then consider CBR 250. It's a mean task to haul the CBR around the traffic with its fairing.

BTW, with your wife and kids on board do not even think of taking them on your bike for leisurely trips on weekends. Do you think Indian roads are safe enough for pleasure trips with your family on a bike ? when you have a car at your disposal.

So its for you to decide amongst the "Street scorching amazing handler DUKE 200" VS "Jack of all trades and the best VFM bike money can buy in India currently - Pulsar 200 NS" VS "The leisure weekend long distance tourer with oodles of torque and top end - CBR 250"

PS : you would not be able to have your kid on the tank on any of these bikes. All 3 bikes can have a laptop bag comfortably on your back.

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BTW, with your wife and kids on board do not even think of taking them on your bike for leisurely trips on weekends. Do you think Indian roads are safe enough for pleasure trips with your family on a bike ? when you have a car at your disposal.PS : you would not be able to have your kid on the tank on any of these bikes.
Some people have already pointed out that it's a bad idea to take your wife and child on the bike with you, especially when you have a car at your disposal, I'm going to add to that chorus - it's simply not safe! And please don't even think of riding with your kid on the tank! I understand that some people may be forced to travel in that fashion, as they don't have a car at their disposal, but when one does have a safe mode of family transport, why use a bike with a child?

Enjoy the bike on weekends and be safe!

PS: I'm sitting with a knee brace as I type this. Had a crash on Tuesday night, was at low speeds and very much within the city, there was a biker coming in the opposite direction without headlights on a street with no lights. Thankfully, I was solo on the bike.
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Do set your priorities before buying; though old school, it's still a brilliant bike. Whatever your decision, invest atleast 10% of the bike's cost on riding gear
As i already mentioned that i'm least intested in ZMA, but as per your suggestion i'll surely try to do test drive. Regarding riding gear i was going thorugh the forum and i looked some jackets online, is the jackets are really comfortable in summers, because in delhi/gurgaon there are extreme weather, summers are very hot, winters are soo chilly and when it rains are too much unexpected. Is all in one jackets are comfortable in these weather condition. If i'll buy then i'll chose something of type All-In-One.. As you know married guys are tight in budget...

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Boss you are wonderful, you really did understand my condition and dillema. Seems like you also went through the same condition.. I liked your suggestion very much

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If that is what you are looking at, then look no further than Duke 200.
I really heard some very good things about this bike, and i went to showroom with lots of expectation, but while test drive it didnt impressed me much, i didn't like the stiffened of this bike and pots holes are clearly observable but this was not the case with cbr250 it was smooth, wonderful shockers which worked well in pot holes on road, however the specs and power of bike is really good. Apart from his i also felt that handle of bike is too wide..

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BTW, with your wife and kids on board do not even think of taking them on your bike for leisurely trips on weekends. Do you think Indian roads are safe enough for pleasure trips with your family on a bike ? when you have a car at your disposal.
I never took them on bike just to commute sometime to near by society market.. thats it.. i am aware of that and i always use car when i am with them.

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So its for you to decide amongst the "Street scorching amazing handler DUKE 200" VS "Jack of all trades and the best VFM bike money can buy in India currently - Pulsar 200 NS" VS "The leisure weekend long distance tourer with oodles of torque and top end - CBR 250"
Wonderful explanation.

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All 3 bikes can have a laptop bag comfortably on your back.
Thanks for sharing this because this is my foremost requirement.

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Some people have already pointed out that it's a bad idea to take your wife and child on the bike with you, especially when you have a car at your disposal, I'm going to add to that chorus - it's simply not safe! And please don't even think of riding with your kid on the tank! I understand that some people may be forced to travel in that fashion, as they don't have a car at their disposal, but when one does have a safe mode of family transport, why use a bike with a child?
Tsanks for the warning, I am aware of this and i usually i don't go anywhere with them on bike, i use car instead.... but my lil daughter love to sit on bike and she is sooo happy when i take her on ride *within society* and that too very slowly and cautiously, and to mention that my society roads are good and mostly empty.
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PS: I'm sitting with a knee brace as I type this. Had a crash on Tuesday night, was at low speeds and very much within the city, there was a biker coming in the opposite direction without headlights on a street with no lights. Thankfully, I was solo on the bike.
Sorry to hear that.. i wish for your quick recovery... TC
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Regarding riding gear i was going thorugh the forum and i looked some jackets online, is the jackets are really comfortable in summers, because in delhi/gurgaon there are extreme weather, summers are very hot, winters are soo chilly and when it rains are too much unexpected. Is all in one jackets are comfortable in these weather condition. If i'll buy then i'll chose something of type All-In-One.. As you know married guys are tight in budget...
I bought a mesh type jacket from Meandering India, Vasant Vihar for around 4.5K It has back protection,elbow protection and shoulder protection. Pretty basic but something is always better than nothing and not all of us can afford better, more expensive stuff.

Mesh is supposed to help in better air flow and help your body breathe easy, but I must say in peak summer it does get pretty sweaty inside. But you also need to understand one thing, when the temperatures are like 43-45 which is very common in delhi, the body loses water very fast if exposed to sun and hot air and you ll end up dehydrated in no time.

A jacket cuts down the water loss and also keeps the body insulated from the heat outside and thereby cooler. So although your shirt will be wet completely, you would probably survive better in that heat than riding without the jacket.

I rode from Dwarka to Neemrana and back a distance of more than 200 Kms in the peak just to test this. The temperature was around 43 degrees then. Although I sweat like crazy, I did nt get the burning heat on my body which I would have if I rode without the jacket.

This jacket has two liners inside both of which are removable. One is a waterproof liner to be used in rain and the other one for winters. So when it rains, just add the rain liner to the jacket and during winters add the warmer one.

I wear the jacket every single day I ride my bike.

Hope it helped.

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I know karizma is a good bike but i am seeing karizma on roads from last 10 years... so not exited about it. I hope you understands
Please do not judge a book by looking at the cover. Mea culpa, I was guilty of that myself.

That said, the 200NS requires serious consideration as it represents a terrific value proposition. I did take a close look at the bike but havent test ridden it yet, I am very very impressed with the 200NS. The part quality looked good, the swingarm and chasis look extremely robust. The bike is styled really well in a relatively understated kind of way with discrete badging et al. There is good probability of a Pulsar in my garage in the not too distant future.

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P200NS- Had an opportunity to check one out. I think that it's quite suitable for tall riders- the saddle position is high. Fit and finish was of a high order- better than the CBR at some places. I found it to be too gaudy and loud in its styling for my tastes- but each to his own. Hands down vfm under a lakh. I think that you should really consider this bike- it seems ideal for your usage scenario.

CBR250R- Nice ride this one. I just came back from a highway run- that thing's a blast to ride on the open road. It's a bit heavy to handle, but the advantage of the added weight is more stability. It's sprung softer than the competition- something that depends on which attribute you prefer- outright handling or better ride quality.
Riding it in traffic's possible but I think the P200NS or the Duke are more suited to the job.

Do try and take test rides of the CBR, Duke and the P200 if possible on the same day itself. It's a great way to dispel doubts and clear up confusion.
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All,

First let me tell you about myself, i am around 32 yrs working, i have a pulsar 150 and a car.

I am planning to use my bike to commute office for couple of days in week. Office is around 13 kms away and to have some weekend rides. Long tours can also be on my list in future .

I used to take laptop to my office, so the bike shall be comfortable so that i
use laptop bag in my shoulders.
Hi rajpandey,

Based on your specific needs and purposes I would definitely rule out the KTM despite it being a beautiful machine. It is a hooligan of a bike with a stiff suspension setup. Not really the ideal machine to take the wife n kid on. Not to say that u cant but just not made for such a purpose.

Between the CBR and the Pulsar, I would be a little skeptical of the Honda thanks to the horror stories of their horrible service and parts' reliability. The CBR is a very good machine and IMO a better fit for your purpose if it wasnt for Honda's pathetic after sales service.

Though the Pulsar itself is no champion on parts quality, Bajaj's service has definitely seen better days than Honda. Also, maintaining the 200NS would be much cheaper & easier than the others. The 200NS is supposed to be the most superior Pulsar till date and I dont see any hassles in advocating the bike to you.

It handles well, is comfortable, looks nice while still being fun to ride. Plus, its half the price of the CBR, so u save some cash too.

As for the jacket, I have a DSG Maze jacket. Its a mesh jacket and is ideal for our climate. It keeps u ventilated n secure. The inner thermal liner is removable which helps in summers. In winters, the liner is god-sent and protects me from freezing in the northy winters. A good jacket, helmet and gloves are a must. Invest in them; you wont regret it.

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Between the CBR and the Pulsar, I would be a little skeptical of the Honda thanks to the horror stories of their horrible service and parts' reliability. The CBR is a very good machine and IMO a better fit for your purpose if it wasnt for Honda's pathetic after sales service
I was under the same impression until...
- Nov 2011, after which all the CBR had good quality parts
- After hearing even pathetic sales & support for 8L+ motorcycles; ever heard that? After all, with the availability of CBR & BMW, our country is not changed to Japan or Germany, we're still Indians & the ASC is still run by Indians!!!

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Bajaj's service has definitely seen better days than Honda
That's an urban legend

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Also, maintaining the 200NS would be much cheaper & easier than the others
Please, share the price of engine oil, filter & first paid service for P200NS. TIA

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The 200NS is supposed to be the most superior Pulsar till date
+1; because it shares the same engine as KTM 200

For riding gears, apart from the regular, I'd also suggest looking into Spartan Progear http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sparta...32385686807202

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Family bike?
Seriously the choice of bikes don't satisfy the needs. Pillion seat is too small in all the three bikes to accomodate a lady with reasonable comfort.
CBR is the best highway motorcycle here :
- Fairing aids highspeed stability
- Torquey midrange
- Weight and soft ride makes it comfortable
- Good refinement

Duke is a lovely city bike
- Jerky acceleration. Real fun
- Light weight
- Solid handling and braking
- Compact dimensions

Pulsar NS : Good balance of both
- Comfortable riding position
- Agility and handling
- Good performance, driveability
- Huge step ahead of other pulsars
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