Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Motorbikes


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 19th April 2013, 09:47   #421
Senior - BHPian
 
Red Liner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,193
Thanked: 1,119 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by ebonho View Post
Good to see its being compared to the Honda 500s, and comes off looking better perceptionally (I do not doubt that a parallel twin with 125 cc more displacement would be faster).

That said, am relieved that the top end is around 168 kmph (105 mph). I was told by someone in the know last night to take auto mag reports of 160 kmph top end with a big pinch of salt.

So I guess 170 kmph is what we are going to get. But with better than expected mileage of 30 kmpl. That is true frugality for a bike with this kind of performance. An important factor when calculating touring range as well as wallet range.
Plus, those 500's are a tad heavier too...

And if you're lighter the bike goes higher on the speedo - thanks to the rev limiter not kicking in. Its supposedly seen 180'ish with a light austrian engineer at the helm. Time for you to hit the treadmill eh doc?
Red Liner is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 19th April 2013, 11:56   #422
Senior - BHPian
 
ebonho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Pune
Posts: 3,942
Thanked: 3,178 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Liner View Post
Plus, those 500's are a tad heavier too...

And if you're lighter the bike goes higher on the speedo - thanks to the rev limiter not kicking in. Its supposedly seen 180'ish with a light austrian engineer at the helm. Time for you to hit the treadmill eh doc?
ha ha ha ha yes man, even my 500 has been complaining of late ......

The point you make about the gearing being significantly different (different gearbox too from what I hear - different bottom end, totally and radically different top end - unlike the 200 which was in effect a re-bored 125, the 390 IS a totally new engine) is a good one. Hints at longer "highway" legs.

The Hondas are not just a "tad" heavier bro. The CBR250 is a tad heavier at 160+. The 500s at 180+ are significantly heavier.
ebonho is offline  
Old 19th April 2013, 12:01   #423
Senior - BHPian
 
Red Liner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,193
Thanked: 1,119 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by ebonho View Post
ha ha ha ha yes man, even my 500 has been complaining of late ......

The point you make about the gearing being significantly different (different gearbox too from what I hear - different bottom end, totally and radically different top end - unlike the 200 which was in effect a re-bored 125, the 390 IS a totally new engine) is a good one. Hints at longer "highway" legs.

The Hondas are not just a "tad" heavier bro. The CBR250 is a tad heavier at 160+. The 500s at 180+ are significantly heavier.
I've also read in a few places that the chassis has been strengthened? But some places tell me the chassis is the exact same unit as the 200.

The T.A.L.L sixth gear sounds yummy. Cruising at 120k on the 6th gear should be very sweet to the ears.

I wonder if the acerbis fuel tank will affect rider dynamics. Got a bigger picture to show and compare with the stock one? Would do anything to NOT carry jerry cans. What about lockable panniers for the 200/390's? Those textile saddle bags are not very confidence inspiring. Dont like anything with buckles and tailored stitches.

Haha...have already gotten into touring accessories. Sick of discussing the bike.

Last edited by Red Liner : 19th April 2013 at 12:06.
Red Liner is offline  
Old 19th April 2013, 12:09   #424
Senior - BHPian
 
ebonho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Pune
Posts: 3,942
Thanked: 3,178 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Liner View Post
I've also read in a few places that the chassis has been strengthened? But some places tell me the chassis is the exact same unit.

I wonder if the acerbis fuel tank will affect rider dynamics. Got a bigger picture to show and compare with the stock one? Would do anything to NOT carry jerry cans.
See man, if you are going to a place where fuel pumps are more than 300 kms apart, chances are that you are not going to be doing knee downs there too often. So a little bit more top heavy (though the Acerbis carry most of the extra weight to the sides) is not really going to be a serious issue. Acerbis also cost between 15-20K a piece (not counting getting it in here).

The more important issue is making it fit - without modifying a whole lot more. And probably then having to do away with the fuel gauge.

Other option to jery cans are fuel cells which can be hard bolted to removable side racks. Very costly though and small volues only (1.5 to 3 liters from what I have seen).

Best option is to carry fuel in big Thums Up bottles in the saddle bag bottle pockets. You should be able to carry at least 4 liters extra that way. So an extra 100 kms. The fuel tank (which is 1 liter bigger than the 200) should be good for around 250 odd kms. Which means you would need to carry at least another 3-4 liters. Maybe in a back pack bungeed upright on the pillion seat.

Quote:
The T.A.L.L sixth gear sounds yummy. Cruising at 120k on the 6th gear should be very sweet to the ears.
I heard it does 60 mph (around 100 kph) at sub 5000 rpm. From my 200 I can tell you that 5000 rpm feels as if you are puttering along. For a big motor it will be even more unstressed. So I am guessing "all-day cruising" should be around 140 easy.

Last edited by ebonho : 19th April 2013 at 12:14.
ebonho is offline  
Old 19th April 2013, 16:13   #425
Senior - BHPian
 
Red Liner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,193
Thanked: 1,119 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

One more from ACI: http://www.autocarindia.com/Review/3...test-ride.aspx

Looks like most of the Indian mags were invited for the press launch. This sounds like a much better review than the stuff dished out by Overdrive though.
Red Liner is offline  
Old 19th April 2013, 16:14   #426
Senior - BHPian
 
Red Liner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,193
Thanked: 1,119 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by ebonho View Post
See man, if you are going to a place where fuel pumps are more than 300 kms apart,


I heard it does 60 mph (around 100 kph) at sub 5000 rpm. From my 200 I can tell you that 5000 rpm feels as if you are puttering along. For a big motor it will be even more unstressed. So I am guessing "all-day cruising" should be around 140 easy.
Gah, so I'll stick with little bottles. The cruising speed sounds fantastic. All I've ever done is a short 1 km test ride on a duke 200 and I was blown away by it.
Red Liner is offline  
Old 19th April 2013, 17:39   #427
Senior - BHPian
 
ebonho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Pune
Posts: 3,942
Thanked: 3,178 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Indian mags reviewing the 390:

http://www.autocarindia.com/Review/3...st-ride.aspx/1

http://www.overdrive.in/details/3214...uke-first-ride

At 5000 rpm she does 100

At 6500 rpm she does 120

At 7000 rpm she does 130 - which she can keep up all day long comfortably per ACI

"We touched an effortless, speedometer indicated 107kph flat out in third gear on the 390, an indicated 133kph in fourth and an indicated 157 in fifth, with KTM telling us the new bike is capable of a true 162kph top speed in sixth, at which point you see about 170kph on the speedometer."

The beat is more noticeable at lower revs (from a Bulleteer perspective - very nice!)

The sound is very different to the 200, especially as the revs climb

The clutch is stiffer in its pull
ebonho is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 19th April 2013, 20:39   #428
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kolkata
Posts: 3,506
Thanked: 2,072 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by ebonho View Post
At 5000 rpm she does 100

At 6500 rpm she does 120

At 7000 rpm she does 130 - which she can keep up all day long comfortably per ACI
Kmph/ 1000 rpm figure not consistent.

Quote:
The clutch is stiffer in its pull
Bad news for me!

Regards
Sutripta
Sutripta is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 20th April 2013, 08:38   #429
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Sheel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Purnea(Bihar)
Posts: 5,210
Thanked: 4,846 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Any figures as to where does the Ninja 300R stand? It would be very interesting to compare both.

I think 390 shall be faster initially.
Sheel is offline  
Old 20th April 2013, 11:44   #430
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: mumbai
Posts: 2,035
Thanked: 315 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

A 220k expected OTR compared to the 400k OTR for Ninja, it makes a lot of sense as 90% of riders's commute is within city limits and urban limits. The Ninja though will attract for its looks, but the price difference is too much to justify the premium over the 390.

Technically, considering that the 390 commands only a 300 pounds premium over the 200 in UK; so in India with all the hype around, the 390 should not command more than 50k max premium over the 200 in which case rather than the Ninja, this will steal CBR250 market even more.
dipen is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 20th April 2013, 12:31   #431
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Sheel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Purnea(Bihar)
Posts: 5,210
Thanked: 4,846 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Yes, the price, more or less shall decide the fate (sales)

A good friend & a member here has ridden the 300R & says, it would be doing a ton in a shade under 6 secs & hits 150kmph with ease.
Sheel is offline  
Old 20th April 2013, 17:38   #432
BHPian
 
praful's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 977
Thanked: 436 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheel View Post
Yes, the price, more or less shall decide the fate (sales)

A good friend & a member here has ridden the 300R & says, it would be doing a ton in a shade under 6 secs & hits 150kmph with ease.
But thats a 4.2 Lakh ton ... can't argue with faster 2.2 Lakh ton

Of course if one is loaded with cash its a different ballgame altogether!!
praful is offline   (3) Thanks
Old 21st April 2013, 09:43   #433
BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Pune
Posts: 75
Thanked: 44 Times
Default

Is it just me or anyone else notice that the exhaust note is very different from the 200? I love it, in fact it sounds similar to the 690.
hsub is offline  
Old 21st April 2013, 10:49   #434
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: pune
Posts: 2,088
Thanked: 48 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by praful View Post
Of course if one is loaded with cash its a different ballgame altogether!!
Leaving price tag aside, it would be interesting to compare bike against bike, D390 vs. N300.

A parallel twin would no doubt be more refined than single cylinder. Ninja has also better clutch, better wind resistance (fairing) and 'probably' better build quality.

Duke has displacement and power on its side. Fuel efficiency appears to be on Duke's side (I have not seen N300 figures).
RX135 is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 21st April 2013, 15:37   #435
BHPian
 
Joxster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Mechelen, BE
Posts: 265
Thanked: 329 Times
Default re: KTM Duke 390 - 375cc, 45 PS, 150 kg

Quote:
Originally Posted by hsub View Post
Is it just me or anyone else notice that the exhaust note is very different from the 200? I love it, in fact it sounds similar to the 690.
I noticed that in the couple of videos I have seen. Love the sound, but you need to hear it for real to know, because the sound quality in videos can be distorted.
Joxster is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The KTM Duke 390 Ownership Experience Thread parrys Motorbikes 6103 14th December 2017 09:46
My Tryst with Orange: KTM Duke 390 sriramv.iyer Motorbikes 257 4th December 2016 09:46
Duke of Ram - My Orange Flame, KTM Duke 390. EDIT : Sold! hillram Motorbikes 65 13th May 2016 07:21
Bullet Thunderbird TBTS 500 versus KTM Duke 390? sridhu Motorbikes 174 29th November 2015 17:53
India made KTM Duke 390 & RC 390 to be sold in the USA Tushar Motorbikes 1 7th January 2015 13:59


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 05:06.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks