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Old 25th April 2013, 22:48   #466
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How the KTM Duke 390 differs from Europe to India

The combination of these settings will be different for the 390 Duke for India versus the one that will be exported from Chakan to Europe. The reason is simple - Europe has smoother roads overall so a stiffer suspension setup can easily take care of the needs while India's variation in road quality requires a softer setup. We have not tested the Indian setup at this point but I am sure that if we tried the Euro setup in India, the bike would feel jittery and very often a succession of bumps would feel seriously upsetting.


The Indian setup will be on the stiffer, sporty side as Indian motorcycles go, that is certain, but it will not be as stiff as the European setup. The springs themselves aren't different but the shims are different and damping and rebound damping will vary.
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Will it do power wheelies?
Actually which of the current bikes offered in India can do a power wheelie?
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Will it do power wheelies?
Actually which of the current bikes offered in India can do a power wheelie?
You haven't seen any of the videos on the duke 390 being power wheelied have you?
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Will it do power wheelies?
Actually which of the current bikes offered in India can do a power wheelie?
Yes it will be able to wheelies as the ABS can be switched off. The same is shown in the videos too. With the right kind of launch, most 150cc + bikes should be able to power-wheelie.
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You haven't seen any of the videos on the duke 390 being power wheelied have you?
It is very hard in the videos to figure out if they were popping the clutch or power wheeling.

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Yes it will be able to wheelies as the ABS can be switched off. The same is shown in the videos too. With the right kind of launch, most 150cc + bikes should be able to power-wheelie.
No man. The CBR 250, Pulsar 220 both don't. I haven't ridden the Ninja 250 or the Duke 200 so don't know. How about the Ninja 650?
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Will it do power wheelies?
Actually which of the current bikes offered in India can do a power wheelie?
That is yet to be seen, it looks like the gears are tall and thus not power wheelie friendly. Light front end, oodles of single cylinder torque ... it should happen.

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Yes it will be able to wheelies as the ABS can be switched off. The same is shown in the videos too. With the right kind of launch, most 150cc + bikes should be able to power-wheelie.
I think you've confused the 'clutch wheelie' with a 'power wheelie'. The former is done by popping the clutch, whilst the latter happens when in motion you whack the throttle open and there is sufficient power to lift up the front wheel without *popping* the clutch.

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My Bad. I did get confused between clutch and power wheelie.
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That is yet to be seen, it looks like the gears are tall and thus not power wheelie friendly. Light front end, oodles of single cylinder torque ... it should happen.

I think you've confused the 'clutch wheelie' with a 'power wheelie'. The former is done by popping the clutch, whilst the latter happens when in motion you whack the throttle open and there is sufficient power to lift up the front wheel without *popping* the clutch.
I have seen a video of the 390 power wheelie with ease. Was ridden by a journo.
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Yes it will be able to wheelies as the ABS can be switched off.
How does ABS play a Role in stopping a power wheelie? Or a Wheelie for that matter? I am a bit confused.

AFAIK it only controls braking with respect to traction on the front wheel.
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How does ABS play a Role in stopping a power wheelie? Or a Wheelie for that matter? I am a bit confused.

AFAIK it only controls braking with respect to traction on the front wheel.
I think that with ABS activated, stoppie will not be possible for sure and that was my mindframe when i wrote a rather un-researched statement. (Got to report and get it deleted)
On trying a power wheelie, my theory is that under heavy acceleration, wheels will start to spin much faster, resulting in sliding friction which should activate the ABS - just speculating.
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On trying a power wheelie, my theory is that under heavy acceleration, wheels will start to spin much faster, resulting in sliding friction which should activate the ABS - just speculating.
Yes, ABS will come into play during a stoppie, but under heavy acceleration it wont be activated as it is activated by braking also It's generally on the front wheel where as the drive is on the rear.

Traction control would stop the wheel sliding under hard acceleration I guess.
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It is very hard in the videos to figure out if they were popping the clutch or power wheeling.



No man. The CBR 250, Pulsar 220 both don't. I haven't ridden the Ninja 250 or the Duke 200 so don't know. How about the Ninja 650?
Its about how much low end torque you have. I can power wheelie my TB500 in the first gear, also if I shift between 1st and 2nd really hard. It looks funny to see a TB doing a wheelie btw
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Its about how much low end torque you have. I can power wheelie my TB500 in the first gear, also if I shift between 1st and 2nd really hard. It looks funny to see a TB doing a wheelie btw
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@ Mik; from my experience with RTR ABS, one needs to switch off ABS to do stoppie.
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Lovely little article explaining how the duke 390 is mechanically different from the 200. Someone show this to the boffins over at XBHP who keep putting up excel documents to compute how much it would cost to upgrade a 200 to a 390!

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Most worrying part for me ...

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But then in the hunt for performance, the compression ratio was raised from a high 11.3:1 for the Duke 200 to an astonishing 12.9:1 for the new engine.
Could be a typo and be really 12.5, but even then its pretty high for our country's fuel quality. We may not get 5 seconds 0-100 kind of performance until we put in better quality fuel. Also, the KTM website recommends 95RON fuel.

It will be interesting to see how KTM/BAL has handled this, I'm sure they would have given it a thought considering that it is being launched across 76 countries.
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