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Old 18th March 2013, 15:13   #16
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My p220 with K&N filter feels faster than the stock CBR250, not so sure about the top end of CBR250.
Where did that come from? I dont think the P220 has a chance in any gear at any rpm against the CBR250R. Lets leave this trio alone, the CBR, thanks to the single cylinder, has a crisp throttle response and the low end grunt to keep the Ninja 250 in check. Its only when the Ninja gets the space to show the needle upwards of 10,000rpm till almost 14,500rpm is when it starts pulling away.



I would like to sum it up agreeing with ebonho,

"As a bike, its a no contest for the Ninja 300/250.

As a bang for buck, its currently a no contest for the CBR250."
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From the images I see online, the 400R is similar to the 650R in appearance and posture and bears no resemblance to the 300. (http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/superbik...und-india.html)

Bajaj has done its part; now its up to the other manufacturers to bring in the competition.
I had seen the images, but had long forgotten. yes, you are right. The 400R appears as a down scaled 650R.

And believe it shall be pitted against the upcoming Honda-500 versions.

Maybe its time for other manufacturers to roll their products. And the 390 would make for a helluva Motorcycle.

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Where did that come from? I dont think the P220 has a chance in any gear at any rpm against the CBR250R.
It comes from my personal experience, p220 with a K&N filter definitely feels faster than a stock cbr. Low end of the cbr is sluggish and doesn't a chance before the ninja, and the top just can't be compared.
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Old 18th March 2013, 19:59   #19
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It comes from my personal experience, p220 with a K&N filter definitely feels faster than a stock cbr. Low end of the cbr is sluggish and doesn't a chance before the ninja, and the top just can't be compared.
I've had a few personal experiences too. And what you see in the picture is an example of those experiences. Have been fortunate to have ridden the P220 and the Cbr250r a few hundred kilometers and the Ninja 250r a few thousand kilometres. Let me assure you again that the cbr has a better throttle response against the Ninja anywhere under 6000rpm. Over which, Ninja kills everything this side of a 250.



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Cant dispute your k&n P220's performance. Will only know if we actually do a roll on in top gear and start at 3000rpm on both the cbr and your bike.

So join us sometime.
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It comes from my personal experience, p220 with a K&N filter definitely feels faster than a stock cbr. Low end of the cbr is sluggish and doesn't a chance before the ninja, and the top just can't be compared.
It might "feel" faster... But it is not!

The CBR is faster than the Duke 200 as well!

The only way the 220 can even think about keeping up with a CBR (i.e. in sub 80Kmph speeds) is by going the big-bore way.
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praful and doc, what I am trying to say is that a tweaked p220 may not be a cbr beater in a straight out drag, but in city limits say till 80 kmph I don't find much of a difference between the two. And the p220 with a different air filter has a much smoother and better acceleration then the stock filter. And I find that better than a stock CBR.

Anyways a 5 speed 220cc machine wont be able to match the performance of a 6 speed 250cc machine, but its just that is provides tremendous VFM performance at about less than 2/3rd the price of the CBR.
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praful and doc, what I am trying to say is that a tweaked p220 is not be a cbr beater in a straight out drag, but in city limits say till 80 kmph I don't find much of a difference between the two (but the CBR is still faster) And the p220 with a different air filter has a much smoother and better acceleration then the stock filter. And I find that better than a stock CBR.
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P-220 FI had crisper throttle response.

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Anyways a 5 speed 220cc machine wont be able to match the performance of a 6 speed 250cc machine, but its just that is provides tremendous VFM performance at about less than 2/3rd the price of the CBR.
That is a completely different way of putting things which you didn't earlier. See what you said

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It comes from my personal experience, p220 with a K&N filter definitely feels faster than a stock cbr
If you have put your P-220 & a CBR-250R against a data gear, then it would have been different. Or maybe the CBR which you rode wasn't in its prime health.

Believe me, even as far as seat of the pant feel goes, the CBR-250R would feel faster than your ~1L Motorcycles :-)

And (out of curiosity) how would you pit the P-200 NS against a P-220?

It would have been fun had you brought R15 or CBR-150R into the picture. Praful will agree with me
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Bottom line is, we both have different opinions and our clarifications wont convince each other. So its better we end it here.
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Where did that come from? I dont think the P220 has a chance in any gear at any rpm against the CBR250R. Lets leave this trio alone, the CBR, thanks to the single cylinder, has a crisp throttle response and the low end grunt to keep the Ninja 250 in check. Its only when the Ninja gets the space to show the needle upwards of 10,000rpm till almost 14,500rpm is when it starts pulling away.

I would like to sum it up agreeing with ebonho,

"As a bike, its a no contest for the Ninja 300/250.

As a bang for buck, its currently a no contest for the CBR250."
Guess the cbr500 would be like the cbr 250 ; max power at 8500.

Also isn't cbr cheaper and easier to maintain?

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Also isn't cbr cheaper and easier to maintain?
Unless you put the Duke into the equation, yes.

But then, the OEMs are partners of Bajaj. They are known for their VFM tag.
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Guess the cbr500 would be like the cbr 250 ; max power at 8500.
The CBR Trio makes 46.9 Bhp @ 8500 RPM and 43 Nm @ 7000 RPM

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Also isn't cbr cheaper and easier to maintain?
Rumor mill says that if the 500's are sold it would be a CKD like the Ninja. So it might not be cheap to maintain, and probably even buy.
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Hello Fellow TBHPians,

This is my first post on Team-BHP. A bit of my back ground. My first bike was a Enfield Silver Plus during my school days. This was a 50 CC bike with 2 gears and was a good looker of its time. So, for a school boy it was a very good bike for daily commute to school and some real fun. I kept this bike for app. four years. However after 2 years of owning this bike, i got admission in college for my graduate course and my father gifted me a Yezdi 250 Classic. Oh boy, this bike was fun and it remained with me for seven years and this bike converted me into a hard core biker. Traveled a lot on this bike and it was really fun to ride. This was the bike on which i learned how to lean. However, in 1993 I met with an accident and fractured my leg. Post that accident, I was forced to sell off my Yezdi due to family pressure . By that time I had got married too and moved on to a car. However, I continued to miss my biking days.

Fast Forward to 2012 and biker in me again reared its head. That was the time Royal Enfield Thunderbird was launched. I went to take a test ride of TBTS 500 and immediately fell in love with it and decided to buy it. I got the delivery of my TBTS 500 on 25 Nov., 2012. Since then I have been riding this bike over the weekends for various rides and have been pretty satisfied with it and intend to keep it. However I want to own a superbike like Ninja 1000. But before I buy one, I would like to gain more experience with fast bikes and am slightly confused now. My confusion is -- should I opt for a Duke 390 or Ninja 300 or should I go in for Ninja 650? However, when i go in for a super bike, I will sell off whatever bike I will buy. I am looking forward to your suggestion and guidance.
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Hello Fellow TBHPians,
I would like to gain more experience with fast bikes and am slightly confused now. My confusion is -- should I opt for a Duke 390 or Ninja 300 or should I go in for Ninja 650? However, when i go in for a super bike, I will sell off whatever bike I will buy. I am looking forward to your suggestion and guidance.
Since you are planning to sell the bike and get a litre class machine I would suggest you to go for the Duke 390. The amount of money lost on resale will be less in 390 when compared to Ninja. Plus the Duke is more powerful than the Ninja 300.

Ninja 300 is in a class of its own and is good track day vehicle. And it is a super sport, a couple of notches below the super bike. A good choice provided you dont care about the money.

650 doesn't make sense, you would spend alot of money on acquiring it and then you will find it difficult (no of prospects will be less) to sell it.
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