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Old 17th September 2014, 16:59   #181
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Maybe they should have an "old fart" version then for guys like me who always like to stay on two wheels. I'd happily trade 20 kmph for one wheel.
I guess some sprocket mods should do the trick
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Old 17th September 2014, 19:43   #182
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Off topic: if the RC390 tastes better success than the duke in the international market, can we expect a RC690 for the fairing loving indian junta!?! Along with its naked with maximum localization of production. The market will be mature enough for a middle weight if they can price them under 4lakhs*chukles*, it the blow the competition out of the water like if there is any...
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Old 18th September 2014, 01:46   #183
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I am a little disapointed in advance though.

I know that the Duke 690 (from all international reports) hits about 195+ kmph (just shy of the 200 mark). This is the current 72 bhp R version I am referring to.

So I'm wondering if a 44 bhp bike does 180, will I not feel a trifle "cheated" that my 690 with 30 more horses, weighing just a bit more, and probably costing 2-2.5 lacs more, does only 15 kmph more?
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What would be nicer though is if by that time Bajaj and KTM could get the 690 to do a respectable 200+ kmph. Enough to match the other competition in India with roughly the same performance figures - the Ninja 650 and the Bonnie.

Though hearing from Anurag how a 390 harried the Bonnies, one can well imagine what the bigger sister would do ...... (tongue firmly in cheek)

And I know its the same here in mixed bike rides with 390s and 650s. The green 650s just never get away and get to break loose of the orange devils stuck to their backsides.
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I'm just requesting the boffins in Mattinghofen for a measly 10-15 kmph more from that big rorty heart .....
You literally spoke my mind doc! When the 390 was released, the first thing I did was compare it to the 690's specs, and always wondered why they couldn't add more top whack to it. If a 390 can do 170+ kmph, then a 690 should be able to do 200+ with ease, considering that it has almost 30 more horses.

Maybe KTM has a good reason for not increasing the top whack, which they don't want to advertise, but until then, it leaves you, me, and I'm sure a whole lot of other people puzzled. Yes, the sheer acceleration of the 690 should be truckloads of fun, but the magical number is still elusive.

Anyways, we are OT on this thread, so back to the RC390. I think KTM has produced a real winner with this one, and hats off to them for giving us so much bike, for so little money, when you consider the competition's pricing .

Sincerely hope it sells in the numbers it deserves!
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Can anybody confirm if the new Rc200 has got a bit more relaxed gearing than the Duke 200? Or are they exactly the same engine and gearbox wise?
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I know that the Duke 690 (from all international reports) hits about 195+ kmph (just shy of the 200 mark). This is the current 72 bhp R version I am referring to.


So I'm wondering if a 44 bhp bike does 180, will I not feel a trifle "cheated" that my 690 with 30 more horses, weighing just a bit more, and probably costing 2-2.5 lacs more, does only 15 kmph more?
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The 690 is geared really short and thats the reason for the relatively tamer top end. Its very difficult to keep it on two wheels
Doc,

I think this answers the missing answeres, whilst we were discussing the comparitive top end on road performace of 690

Best Regards & Ride Safe

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Can anybody confirm if the new Rc200 has got a bit more relaxed gearing than the Duke 200? Or are they exactly the same engine and gearbox wise?
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RC200 has got longer gear ratios which makes it's gearing more relaxed than that of Duke 200's.
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RC200 has got longer gear ratios which makes it's gearing more relaxed than that of Duke 200's.
Thanks! If that's true then I'm probably gonna get the baby RC200. As much as I like the Duke I hated the short gearing on the 200 as I like to cruise and glide.
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Doc,

I think this answers the missing answeres, whilst we were discussing the comparitive top end on road performace of 690

Best Regards & Ride Safe

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Ya bro. I don't mind not having the front wheel in the air (all of the time ) if I can get an all-rounder like the 690 that can still do a decent 210 (maybe more?) at the top end and cruise comfortably at ton plus speeds (where the roads and traffic allow) all day. And from what I hear and read, regardless of how its ridden or thrashed, the 690 still returns much better fuel average figures than the Japanese 650 twin (around 22 believe it or not vs about 18). Don't know how much the Bonnies give.

And all of the above from a package that's nearly as light and nimble as our smaller (baby and teen) Dukes. The 690 being the papa Duke and the 1190 being the dada Duke.

BRING IT BAJAJ !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND QUICKLY ......

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Some pictures courtesy KTM Baner - Pune. Did get to know from someone who got a short ride that the overall feel is quite different from the Duke390. And is as easy to pop.
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Some pictures courtesy KTM Baner - Pune. Did get to know from someone who got a short ride that the overall feel is quite different from the Duke390. And is as easy to pop.
Looking at the second pic I cant help but notice the temperature gauge. We dukers can only dream of our bikes being this cool after 150+ run and 8 minutes of run time

Seems cooling is a lot improved in the RC.
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Looking at the second pic I cant help but notice the temperature gauge. We dukers can only dream of our bikes being this cool after 150+ run and 8 minutes of run time

Seems cooling is a lot improved in the RC.
Sold my Ninja250 a couple of weeks ago and was without a ride for the last sundays IBW Chai Pakoda ride. Borrowed a friends Duke200 (Doesnt matter to him considering he has a '13 Fireblade) for the ride and rode it around in Mumbai also quite a bit. After some peak hour suburban traffic even on a cool evening (as per mumbai standards) i couldnt help but notice the temperature gauge showed just 1 or 2 bars shy of maximum. Although i could feel the heat from the bike (nothing new for an ex ninja250 owner), but it was running ok without any issues.

Anything to be worried about? Also, which version do you own?
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Anything to be worried about? Also, which version do you own?
Nothing to worry mate. Its normal for the Dukes. I have a late '13 Duke 390. In normal city driving the temp bar is usually high. However it does recede with time, open roads and a relaxed rider.
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Looking at the second pic I cant help but notice the temperature gauge. We dukers can only dream of our bikes being this cool after 150+ run and 8 minutes of run time

Seems cooling is a lot improved in the RC.
Technically, the faster you go, the cooler the engine will be compared to city traffic. Simply because there is a huge amount of air cooling the radiator compared to city.

I had been doing similar speeds on my long trip and the bars were just at 4 or 5.. nothing to do be worried about at all on the open road even if you ride hard.
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You literally spoke my mind doc! When the 390 was released, the first thing I did was compare it to the 690's specs, and always wondered why they couldn't add more top whack to it. If a 390 can do 170+ kmph, then a 690 should be able to do 200+ with ease, considering that it has almost 30 more horses.

Maybe KTM has a good reason for not increasing the top whack, which they don't want to advertise, but until then, it leaves you, me, and I'm sure a whole lot of other people puzzled. Yes, the sheer acceleration of the 690 should be truckloads of fun, but the magical number is still elusive.
Also keep in mind that the aero drag increases significantly at higher speeds. And to counter that, the motor needs to punch out even more top end power. A single can only rev out so much
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Also keep in mind that the aero drag increases significantly at higher speeds. And to counter that, the motor needs to punch out even more top end power. A single can only rev out so much
Vignesh, comparing just the Ninja 650 to the Duke 690, what the Duke loses in terms of aero drag (naked vs faired) it gains back a bit in terms of being a much slimmer front-on profile to the Ninja (a generic advantage singles have over multi-cylinder bikes) and a whole lot more by being much lighter (by a full 60 kilos - that's like carrying an extra adult pillion) than the Ninja, while developing the same power (72 bhp).

The Duke 690 is a ridiculously light bike with a ridiculous amount of power in comparison. Look at it this way - it weighs just 10 kilos more than the 390, but develops 28 bhp more. Which (the difference) is 3 bhp more than the total power the 130 kilo Duke 200 develops. And the 390 comfortably does 170-175 kmph.

I would tend to believe that regardless of the difference in the top end revs of the two bikes, if the 690 is sprocketed enough to not completely neuter its manic nature but still give it longer legs, this bike should be able to top out significantly higher than its stock 195 odd kmph.

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