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Old 12th June 2014, 00:08   #31
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They say that the Trigger's is harder while the Unicorn has more play and much more plush. They also finally told me that they CANNOT adjust the suspension softer than "SOFT" setting and that I'd have to live with it. So that's it!
If the mechanic says there is a difference then I feel you must replace the existing rear mono-suspension with the one on the Unicorn. If this solves your issue then fine else will need to look at alternative solutions.

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Old 12th June 2014, 00:18   #32
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Today, the mechanic and his supervisor, both separately told me that the Unicorn's suspension, though the same unit, is tuned to be far better than one on the Trigger. .
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If the mechanic says there is a difference then I feel you must replace the existing rear mono-suspension with the one on the Unicorn.
Guess you missed the point about the suspension being the same unit being tuned better for the unicorn. And since they cannot further tune the suspension of Trigger, not sure changing the suspension unit would really help.

@hellmet, if you are moving close to office, then a CVT scooter makes sense else that would also give you backaches if you ride for a long distance.
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I don't know what to do. I might sell this thing off and settle for a CVT disc brake scooter. Also, no more Honda for me. I'm also planning to move close to work so I don't think I'd care for what I ride if it's just 5-6km (one way).
If the distance is going to be 5-6 kms, then it makes sense to buy a scooter. If not, a scooter's ride will be worse than that of the Trigger.
Why don't you wait for a couple of months and check out Suzuki Gixxer? It comes with a mono suspension too, but who knows how Suzuki has tuned it? We would know that once it gets launched in August (probably).
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Old 19th June 2014, 17:36   #34
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After the second "free" service, my handle was cross. So I went back next to get it straightened. The only tool they had to get it "straight" was their plain eyes and hands. When they "straightened" it, it went from looking left to looking right. Great!

Not to sound whiny, but this is the tool "bag" from Honda after just a month of use (I only found time to post the pictures and do the repair today).

My TVS Victor's tool bag (cloth) lasted 10 years and still stands inside the
bike. I removed the Trigger's tool bag from under the seat the first week as it made too much noise over potholes (due to the horrible suspension jumping up and down), and put it in my office bag. In just a few days, the entire tool kit baggie thingie tore up and started spewing tools all over my office bag.

This is the condition of it when I decided to just leave it at home:

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I had to use some duct tape to make it hold :

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Amazing quality of Honda? Not.

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After riding the bike for nearly 3K km, these are my observations:

1. The MRF tires on the Trigger are the worst I've seen on any bike. The smallest of road undulation, and the tires start to squeam and change direction, making the ride unstable and unpredictable. They behave OK on smooth roads, but such roads are where? My last bike had TVS tires and so much thinner than Trigger's shoes, and still were much better in handling.

2. The mono-suspension is totally junk. I'm not sure why thousands of users of Unicorn swear by its suspension, but the Trigger's feels like nearly absent. The Unicorn is a full 15KG heavier than the Trigger. Did Honda fail to tune the mono suspension for the lighter Trigger? To be completely honest, riding the Trigger feels like riding a bicycle. Every minute bump on the road is sent right across the rider's spine. On horrible roads, it is better to keep your jaws together or the vibrations will break your teeth or you might end up biting your tongue. I'm being very serious here.

The service guy at Honda says the bike is meant for heavier people. That's crazy

Setting it to the softest setting makes matters worse as it doesn't make it any softer. Instead, the bike will now fishtail at every bump and rough road stretch. Sometimes, it feels like I'm riding a bike with the rear tire punctured.

On my complaint, Honda Service looked and said fishtailing is because of a tight handle, greased the ball bearings and gave it back to me. Nope, no change.

3. The torque curve (pickup) is very non-linear. The bike barely responds until 4K rpm and it almost feels like you're riding a pillion and then zoom! Beyond 4K rpm, this thing is a rocket. To add to things, the clutch is very hard. In other words, city riding is a nightmare. The presence of a toe-heel shifter doesn't bring much respite as you have to change gears often.

It looks like the Trigger was meant for countries with nearly flawless roads and light traffic. This bike is a total fail for India.

If nothing changes after the second service, this bike will be on Classifieds, and I'll go back to trusted TVS. Maybe a heavier person can do justice to the mono suspension.
Hellmet,
Will agree partially to this.
The suspension was hard till the first service , seems to be better after that for me. The mono suspension does not work that well compared to the regular ones. I can vouch for that.
Part of the problems can be rectified by your SA. If you got a shoddy treatment, make sure you escalate to Honda.
The switches are pathetic, plastics are shoddy and not certainly what you think of Honda. Upgrade your tryre as well, the current MRFs aren't confidence inspiring. I am a bit cautious when I drive over wet roads especially.

Frankly each bike has its own set of gremlins. None of it is like the good old days ( a decade back ?). I'd suggest you do some of the quick fixes and give it a shot. If it doesn't work go for another bike.
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My bike has a habit of stopping when on clutch as in Signals and crawling speed. This idling problem has been there for long and Honda Service did not have a clue. Finally they have zerored in on a rusted choke cable connection within the carb.

Let us see if this fixes the problem. This is proving to be a major irritant.
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My bike has a habit of stopping when on clutch as in Signals and crawling speed. This idling problem has been there for long and Honda Service did not have a clue. Finally they have zerored in on a rusted choke cable connection within the carb.

Let us see if this fixes the problem. This is proving to be a major irritant.
Isn't your bike as old as mine? If yes, that's hardly 6-8 months and rusted choke cables already?

With each day that passes, I feel less and less excited about the Trigger, but unfortunately no one is really interested in buying the bike. Buyers I talked to are already very aware of the shortcomings and poor build quality of the bike as compared to the Unicorn.
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Wow! I never realised trigger was plagued by so many issues. Thank you for directing me to this thread. I totally agree with you about Honda Service people. They are totally arrogant and absolutely rubbish. I had vibration issues with my handle bar between 5.5-6k rpm. Had the issue for the past 2.5 years of the 4 since I've bought the bike. They still haven't identified or sorted out the issue. I'm considering moving my A$$ to an independent garage that specialises in Honda. I've also had to use choke to start the bike every single time; summer or winter and also during the day once the engine has cooled down.
But other than these issues I'm very happy with the bike. I think my suspension set up is identical to cb unicorns. Never had any back pain after riding it even through the famed craters of kerala. The engine is still buttery smooth and friends who drive bajajs and yamahas find it hard to believe that the bike is 4 years old. It still returns a terrific mileage in fact more than the company claimed if driven sedately. I've never had any torque issues and power delivery is quite linear. Since this was my first bike I'm used to the toe shift and find the heel- toe quite difficult to use. I would have never used a kick start even if it was provided with the bike. The dual discs are just awesome and I've successfully come out of quite a few nervous moments unscathed which wouldn't have been the case on most of the other commuter bikes.
Would I buy a Honda again? Most probably no, due to more reasons than one.
Anyways thanks a lot for bringing my attention to this thread hellmet. I'm never suggesting trigger to anyone who asks for my advice ever again.

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Owning a TVS Vistor for 10 years speaks volumes of TVS bikes of yore.

I own a Fiero F2, purchased in 2004.
Driven about 47,000 kms but now lying unused as car has taken its spot.

But, the biker still lurks within and will get it repaired very soon.

It is a logical upgrade from Victor as TVS bikes, including the Apache are no as good as the earlier wonders from TVS- Victor/Fieros/Max 100s et all.

Congrats once again and wish you many miles in your new steed.

Drive safe and always remember your helmet, hellmet!!
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Completely agree with @arnabchak

In my opinion Fiero was gem of a bike in terms of engine and smoothness. I had Fiero (first version) since 2000 and sold it a week before. It had done close to 80K and still was a single kick start. I am still not able to get such a nimble bike with 150cc engine. I think it was about 115 kgs while the latest ones are 132+ kgs.

And the mileage was outstanding.
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At the risk of sounding like a troll or a Honda basher, here are more observations:

1. Vibrations - The NVH on the Trigger is very high and nowhere even close to the Unicorn's. The RPM doesn't matter, it will vibrate - it's almost as if the engine never settles into a comfort zone. This was reported to the SVC for the 2nd service and then again (in an escalation) but was fixed. I rode another Trigger and it felt partially better.

2. Ride Quality - Today, I rode to office on a puny TVS Scooty pep, (boy does the thing have power!) and was happily riding in full confidence around turns and corners. On the Trigger, I'm very wary of bad roads as the tires could lose grip any moment. Again, going into corners, the Trigger lacks a feeling of being planted (bad CoG?) and I tend to slow down as I don't really want to end up as road-kill. The front is heavy and almost feels like you're lugging it around.

3. Rust - My bike is totally in covered parking both at home and office and it's not washed often (Jopasu anyone?). However, I have begun to observe rust in a few places such as screws and welding joints.

Honestly, my Trigger feels old and in need of service even minutes after servicing - just doesn't have that "tight" well-built feeling to it.

I'm trying to sell this bike using all avenues possible and have gone to ever lower prices but no one wants to buy this for more than 55K.
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At the risk of sounding like a troll or a Honda basher, here are more observations:

1. Vibrations - The NVH on the Trigger is very high and nowhere even close to the Unicorn's. The RPM doesn't matter, it will vibrate - it's almost as if the engine never settles into a comfort zone. This was reported to the SVC for the 2nd service and then again (in an escalation) but was fixed. I rode another Trigger and it felt partially better.

2. Ride Quality - Today, I rode to office on a puny TVS Scooty pep, (boy does the thing have power!) and was happily riding in full confidence around turns and corners. On the Trigger, I'm very wary of bad roads as the tires could lose grip any moment. Again, going into corners, the Trigger lacks a feeling of being planted (bad CoG?) and I tend to slow down as I don't really want to end up as road-kill. The front is heavy and almost feels like you're lugging it around.

3. Rust - My bike is totally in covered parking both at home and office and it's not washed often (Jopasu anyone?). However, I have begun to observe rust in a few places such as screws and welding joints.

Honestly, my Trigger feels old and in need of service even minutes after servicing - just doesn't have that "tight" well-built feeling to it.

I'm trying to sell this bike using all avenues possible and have gone to ever lower prices but no one wants to buy this for more than 55K.
Selling your bike may not be a great idea.
I agree it's got some defects .
The MRF tyres are not great and the rear tyre is puny as well. Upgrade it to something better. I had an MRF on my victor before selling and it had better grip (not the zapper variant). The tyre change should help your problems a lot I feel.

Rust is common with most of the new bikes now. That's the state of quality in the new bikes.
You do not have many choices as well - the new FZ I heard is not great.
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Lubed the bike's chain two days ago using gear-oil mixed with boric acid - inspired by this (My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil)thread. Have no intention of putting it in engine oil.

The result is a very very silent chain and at slow speeds the bike feels like it's gliding on the road - although the bike's stupid tires and unstable handle spoil the pleasure.

At these slow speeds, I can feel something rubbing somewhere - could it be the discs dragging?

I should have tried this on my TVS Victor - always took pleasure in oiling its parts regularly.

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The MRF tyres are not great and the rear tyre is puny as well. Upgrade it to something better. I had an MRF on my victor before selling and it had better grip (not the zapper variant). The tyre change should help your problems a lot I feel.
Nah, I do not want to spend another penny on this vehicle.

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The second run on reserve-reserve FE checking fetched me 95km for Rs.100. This, even when I rode pillion a few times and also didn't really try to "hypermile" much.
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Latest FE figures reserve-to-reserve for my bike is 59.4kmpl. This, in high traffic conditions. The only thing that impresses me about this bike is it's mileage despite it being a 150CC bike.

Honda A.S.S continues to be pathetic. They tried to "adjust" a leaking fork seal and also "adjusted" a bust fork kit. I had to get the seal adjusted outside at an independent mechanic because these guys are too lazy to do the job themselves.
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