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Old 25th February 2015, 12:25   #1
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Ninja 300 is an excellent machine. But in city traffic or in any stop and go condition, the forward stance puts a weight on palms. I have often felt that if the bar would be somewhat closer to the rider, it would be very comfortable.

In US, there are 'handle bar risers' available for this purpose.

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They cost about Rs.3000 ($45-50), and shipping to India costs another Rs.1000.

This 'riser' is mainly a pair of one inch metal blocks with 3 holes each. One big 1.5" hole for forks, and two 8mm holes for the two bolts. We need to buy 4 longer 8mm bolts for installing this.

Where can I get this fabricated? I don't know anything about metal drilling/cutting, and my usual fabricator is a welder, he doesn't do such thick blocks of metals.

I thought of many ways, such as using 3 thick pipes of 1" length, or even using wood! But these will be not as strong as one piece metal.

Can anyone guide what kind of shop I should approach? I can give them the actual design on paper with exact measurements. Do these shops take such small order? I am sure there should be someplace where the college students would get their stuff made.

Or am I better off saving up and buying the stuff from US?
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Old 25th February 2015, 12:38   #2
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Remove both clip-ons and place it on a chart paper. Draw an outline of the base and mark the holes.

Take the charts along with your clip-ons to any reputed lathe and they can help you out. Also take some pics of the risers on your phone for reference

Check with the lathe guy where to find aluminium blocks (they usually know)

specify the thickness you want and get matching length bolts (preferably Stainless steel) and Voila! watch the magic unfold.

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Where can I get this fabricated? I don't know anything about metal drilling/cutting, and my usual fabricator is a welder, he doesn't do such thick blocks of metals.
This looks like a job that can be done by most machine shops (bridgeport/milling machine). They'll take a block of aluminum, and then mill/drill out the 3 holes.

A shop with a CNC machine will be able to do it too, but that'll be expensive.

You could even laser-cut the pattern on a metal sheet, and then stack those parts to get the desired height.

All in all, i think it'll be a lot easier for you to just buy the part from the US.

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Yep if you can get the Risers for about 5-6000 landed in India then it would be a good deal. Though easy to make our here, the components made out here may not have the same finish, the effort too take time and time is money in so many ways, and also the weight of the components made here may be more than that of the imported impacting the steering effort and balance.

Best to import.
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Ani, if you can afford for a 3L machine, please...I request you to spend a little more to buy those quality (and made for the purpose) product, better import it. Trust me you're not even spending 4% of the cost of the bike.

But the best thing is...GET USED TO; just get used to ride the stock bike as it is. It isn't that difficult, if people can ride R15 through city, N300R will be piece of cake. Just get used to the riding position in the city.

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If you are impatient to wait for the product to clear customs, try DHL. They deliver such products from USA within 10 days.

Else if you are the DIY type (don't bother about the $50~) then any lathe shop can do it for you. Shop around for good aluminium block for that thickness (it is available in industrial hardware shops) - remove the clipons from your bike, and take the bolts along and sit with the lathe guy for half a day. Cant comment on the money, it may end up same from USA, but nothing like the kick of a DIY.

Ps - Choose wisely - only black hole is the stress on that part while, say, braking from 150+Kmph - the metallurgy may be unknown on a street side purchase.

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Indimotard (Bangalore) have handle bar risers for the Ninja 650 , check out their Fb page. Call them and find out if they have the same for the Ninja 300
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The consensus seems to be quite clear. I am usually a DIY guy, but I wouldn't prefer to remove parts from the bike and take them place to place! Besides, I haven't even yet seen how these machines work, so this is a whole new area which will take a lot of time.

Agree with the comment that we cannot guarantee the quality of local parts. And handle is something that I don't want to fail at any time while riding.

I guess I will buy it from US itself. The shipping is too much though. Hope to find someone who is willing to bring it down.

The Ninja 650 style of risers is very famous, and one can get it easily from aliexpress or ebay at normal price. It is only this N300 style riser which is costly to ship. I will contact Indimotard, but I doubt about the availability with them.

I know people have been riding on such forward stance, or even more leaned bikes. But if we can be comfortable, then why shouldn't we be? So far I have put up about 4000kms on the Ninja so far. In city riding or even in tours when we faced stop and go traffic, I felt the need for a little upright position. Hence all this modification!
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Have you spoken to psynyde? http://www.psynyde.com/welcome.html

See for a sample https://www.facebook.com/PsynydeBike...791904/?type=1

His machined products are a joy to behold.
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Unlike most others, I think making these risers here is no big deal. Just see to it that you start with the correct measurements/ dimensions. (Tracing out on a sheet of paper would not be my way of going about doing it.)
Any competent machinist should be able to do it, but for peace of mind go to a tool/ die maker.

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phamilyman: The psynyde guys works look wonderful. I have contacted them on facebook, let's hope they revert back with positive. I think they are based in Pune only, that makes it easier to communicated.

Sutripta: I agree, but I am not at all experienced in such machine/die work. If I can get someone experienced such as posted above, then only I will proceed the DIY route. Else I don't have expertise here.
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Can anyone guide what kind of shop I should approach? I can give them the actual design on paper with exact measurements. Do these shops take such small order? I am sure there should be someplace where the college students would get their stuff made.

Or am I better off saving up and buying the stuff from US?
Better buy from US. Many such shops in Poona who can actually make GOOD replica generally do not entertain such small requests and rest are not worth talking about.
Been there, done that many times in Poona :(

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I have gotten a positive reply from psynyde, and hope to meet him soon for further progress on this task.

Buying from US is an option I am open to, but if I can support 'make in India' and 'save in India' then I will prefer Indian option. After all this is a metal brick cut with precision!
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WATCH OUT! you are almost certainly looking at the wrong product for your needs.

I don't have any hard info about the Ninja 300, but I think the fork legs extend into the existing aluminium handlebar risers.

It seems that way from the pictures of the aftermarket 'risers' you have posted. In that case, some of the rigidity of the handlebar comes from being anchored onto the fork legs. If you raise the handlebars, you might have to raise the forks by the same amount to anchor everything together. That will affect the chassis geometry in a way you may not like. (The bike will get overly sharp and may introduce breaking juddering.)

My best guess about the product you have shown is a 'front end lowering kit' that it is meant to lower the nose of the bike for sharper handling without lowering the handlebars.

I think you need to try finding something like this:
http://www.aviciouscycle.ca/mainpage...productid=2925
(This is an example and not a Ninja 300 product)


If you notice, they have a protrusion where the the existing aluminium part of the handlebars will get anchored. That will raise the handlebars without changing the geometry.

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^^^ There is a long thread somewhere online discussing this very same issue. The consensus was, forks are not needed to go into the riser. It is mainly the four bolts (two each) that do the work. If I lower the bike, that is push the forks inside the risers, then I will end up with same riding position as now, with the bike lowered by 1 inch. Since the forks are held by the triple clamps and not the handles, they are not required to be pushed inside the risers.

The design you showed is available for pre-2008 Ninja 250. But for post 2008 Ninja 250 & 300s, no one is making such design. I am assuming this is because manufacturers don't feel it adds any value.

People have used additional rods to insert into the hollow holes of risers, but they were mostly deduced as non-necessary addition.

This particular 'riser' can be used as for lowering the bike as well, but people have safely used these as risers alone, without pushing the forks in.

I too think that if we can get such risers made, that protrude a little bit into the handlebars, then it will be a third point of contact and will make the riser even stronger. Let's see whether this can be fabricated, because surely there is no product anywhere for Ninja 300 that resembles this.

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