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Old 10th July 2015, 17:04   #31
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Actually to think about it, 1000cc v twin, developing about 60bhp or near about, in a classic British thumper frame, being hand made, costing about 9 lacs inr on road in India. If this is mass produced, it may cost slightly less, maybe about 6/7 lacs. Quite competitive compared to Triumph or Harley maybe?
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Yesterday I spoke to a RE representative, who knew something surprising regarding the future strategy of RE
In a nutshell it is as detailed below:
1) Launch a 410 and 610 cc engine. These engines are unlike any RE thumper engine, but rather like any large capacity single cylinder from say Yamaha or Kawasaki.
2) Has some kind of hydraulic tappet mechanism, which takes care of/eliminates tappet setting and tappet noise
3) Pre run from the factory, has higher rev limit, and the bike can revv hard from the first day out of the factory
4) Himalyan will be the cross country/dual purpose offering. There is one more model which is street oriented
5) Bike (410 cc) sounds like a Bajaj offering, the thump is gone.

Now for the most shocking
Current 350cc and 500 cc, will be discontinued from 2017 onwards, mainly due to changing pollution norms. The new bike models will be 410 and 610 cc.
Most likely 610cc may be a parallel twin or very unlikely, but could be possible a v twin.
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2) Has some kind of hydraulic tappet mechanism, which takes care of/eliminates tappet setting and tappet noise
The UCEs have the hydraulic tappet mechanism. If the RE representative's words materializes into a motorcycle, then we have a high revving engine with pushrods. The discontinuation of the 350s and 500s will certainly bring an end to the Bullet era or what is still left of it.
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Yesterday I spoke to a RE representative, who knew something surprising regarding the future strategy of RE
Bike (410 cc) sounds like a Bajaj will not have pushrod and it will be put in Himalayan. They can't dis continued 350 and 500 because their 100 % revenue comes from these engines and also classic 350 and thunderbird 350 has highest selling in its class. As far as norms is consider, These engines are future proof due to EFi and Euro 4 compliance on board.

If they will discontinued 350 and 500cc from 2017 then Company will be shut down in Q4 of 2017.

Rightnow they have 250cc twin cylinder to work with instead of 610 parallel twin. It will be integrated with CGT in near future.

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They can't dis continued 350 and 500 because their 100 % revenue comes from these engines and also classic 350 and thunderbird 350 has highest selling in its class. As far as norms is consider, These engines are future proof due to EFi and Euro 4 compliance on board.
The current 350/500 are not future proof. They cannot comply with increased pollution and efficiency norms especially past 2017. UCE is at best a stop gap before truly modern engines come into play. At best in about 5 years the era of air cooled thumpers will go away for ever. This includes biggies like Harley too.

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... At best in about 5 years the era of air cooled thumpers will go away for ever. This includes biggies like Harley too.
I seriously doubt that.

Both Harley and Royal Enfield meet all of the pollution laws on the books or forecast for the future and currently, the requirements in the USA are the most stringent in the World.

The current rash of water cooled engines is in response to the desire to produce more horsepower per cc. It is not because of environmental concerns.

If India passes pollution laws comparable with those in the USA, Royal Enfield will simply add an O2 sensor, like they did with the models they import into my country.

For those who don't know, the Royal Enfield O2 sensor's only purpose in the export models is to control emissions. It does not add power to the output of the engine.
It does however measure the completeness of the combustion in the cylinder and indirectly controls the air/fuel ratio by continuously sending information to the Engine Control Unit.

Now, if we want to talk about old technology that might disappear in the next few years, the carburetor may be on its last legs.
Controlling the emissions created by a carburetor is a technical challenge and the current designs are about at the limits.
This explains why, to the best of my knowledge, there isn't a single new car sold in the US that uses a carburetor on its engine.

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Yesterday I spoke to a RE representative, who knew something surprising regarding the future strategy of RE
In a nutshell it is as detailed below:
Sounds similar to what this thread talks about Royal Enfield developing single-cylinder, 400cc engine

Note From MOD - Please stick to the Aniket's bike on this thread for discussion RE's twin, please continue the discussion on this thread Rumour: Twin Cylinder Royal Enfield
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I was one of the early viewers of this video as I am one of the thousands who subscribe to Jay's feed. That guy's easy demeanor around the camera makes for a very interesting video around cars and bikes, even if he sometimes mixes folklore of technical facts.

I was 19 when I bought my first bike. And it was a RE Bullet with the cast Iron non UCE engine. Around a decade after I bought my first motorcycle I had the need (not desire) to buy something which was a bit more reliable and one of my friend raved about the new UCE bikes from the RE stable. I tried the bike and did not particularly enjoy the ride. But since reliability was the first factor in my mind and around 20 mins of really hard riding on the test bike had not noticeably knocked the tappets out I thought perhaps this is indeed what I need (again not desire).

In France they often say jamais deux sans trois. My third one was a Harley Davidson. I had the chance to walk into a Harley showroom that had recently opened shutters. "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle".

Since then I have retained the Harley, sold and Enfields...and had the wonderful opportunity to reacquire my old Cast Iron Bullet. And how I love her. I can never come to feeling the same fondness for the UCE engines...there is just something missing in those bikes. However that is another topic.

Coming back to what the French say. When I saw this video I could not help but think am I not in a 'deux' position again

Perhaps some day...but not with an off the shelf kit...but with my own hands.

Cheers!

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Max Hazan of Hazan Motorworks, an incredibly talented custom building is using the musket motor in his latest build. Do check it out, there's a lotta beautiful metal work involved.
And here is the completed bike that Max Hazan has made- A perfect way of showcasing this gem of a hand-built motor!
Read the full feature here: http://www.pipeburn.com/home/2015/10...otorworks.html
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And here is the completed bike that Max Hazan has made- A perfect way of showcasing this gem of a hand-built motor!
Oh my god! What a gorgeous looker she has become! Do you by any chance have a video of this machine in action?

Truly a piece of art!

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Oh my god! What a gorgeous looker she has become! Do you by any chance have a video of this machine in action?



Truly a piece of art!



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Sadly there is no video footage of her in motion. Atleast not yet.
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