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Old 12th August 2015, 23:46   #16
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If budget can be increased a bit, why not consider the Benelli TNT 300.
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Due apologies to all RE fans but ...

I understand the latest bunch is much nicer / much more reliable but let's just say I want something QUICK (most of my riding buddies moved from 150cc bikes to Duke/CBR) and for a motorcycle, I need outright bulletproof reliability.

My job that makes me travel for 5 days a week with calls at all odd hours and I have a super hyperactive son that i cant spend time with. I don't need any more excitement in my life courtesy the motorbike.

I need a high speed appliance - fill it, shut it, forget it.
A used Ninja 650R or a new CBR 250R ABS is your best bet. Both are extremely reliable and their touring capabilities can be easily termed as the best in their segment. As you plan to tour a lot, I suggest you stay away from the Duke siblings. They are best avoided for long tours.

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If budget can be increased a bit, why not consider the Benelli TNT 300.
That exhaust does not look touring friendly. Again, for my limited use - mentally I'm okay stopping at 2L.

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A used Ninja 650R or a new CBR 250R ABS is your best bet. Both are extremely reliable and their touring capabilities can be easily termed as the best in their segment. As you plan to tour a lot, I suggest you stay away from the Duke siblings. They are best avoided for long tours.

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I'm not enthu about a more capable bike - the CBR is what it all seems to come back to, again and again. I don't want/need too much.

Its like my Swift. Except for a desire for more comfort and much more space, there's absolutely no reason even at 125k and seven years to even look for a replacement.
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Due apologies to all RE fans but ...

I understand the latest bunch is much nicer / much more reliable but let's just say I want something QUICK (most of my riding buddies moved from 150cc bikes to Duke/CBR) and for a motorcycle, I need outright bulletproof reliability.

My job that makes me travel for 5 days a week with calls at all odd hours and I have a super hyperactive son that i cant spend time with. I don't need any more excitement in my life courtesy the motorbike.

I need a high speed appliance - fill it, shut it, forget it.
I am sure the 500cc RE bikes are capable in the quickness department.
And the engine is not really as incapable in reliability terms as it is painted out to be on the forums.
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I need a high speed appliance - fill it, shut it, forget it.

How about the Yamaha R3? Not sure on your budget but its a pretty good buy.
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....say I want something QUICK (most of my riding buddies moved from 150cc bikes to Duke/CBR) and for a motorcycle, I need outright bulletproof reliability.
......I don't need any more excitement in my life courtesy the motorbike.

I need a high speed appliance - fill it, shut it, forget it.
The only motorcycle that's gonna tick all these boxes is the CBR250R.
May I suggest one in HRC's tricolor that does duty on the 'Blade?

P.S: The Duke is way quicker than the Ceeber and is better bang-for-buck, but expecting it to be reliable would be akin to watching a porn film for its plot. But as long as the Duke decides that its more KTM than a Bajaj, its one helluva machine.

Do keep us posted on what you end up with !

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If budget can be increased a bit, why not consider the Benelli TNT 300.


Apart from the fact that I will have to increase my budget,
I personally am not a fan of TNT300 and also I am a bit skeptical about its after sales and service.


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A used Ninja 650R or a new CBR 250R ABS is your best bet. Both are extremely reliable and their touring capabilities can be easily termed as the best in their segment. As you plan to tour a lot, I suggest you stay away from the Duke siblings. They are best avoided for long tours.

Ride Safe

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Buying a used bike is a gamble and I am looking to retain this bike for next 5-7 years and I am not sure if I would want to invest in a used bike. CBR, yes does looks like the best fit.




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The only motorcycle that's gonna tick all these boxes is the CBR250R.
May I suggest one in HRC's tricolor that does duty on the 'Blade?

P.S: The Duke is way quicker than the Ceeber and is better bang-for-buck, but expecting it to be reliable would be akin to watching a porn film for its plot. But as long as the Duke decides that its more KTM than a Bajaj, its one helluva machine.

Do keep us posted on what you end up with !

Cheers !

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Aptly put, as mentioned earlier CBR indeed looks like the best fit, but will I just have to force myself to fall in love with it. I wanted a not so common and not so older model but looks like I will end up with one.
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If it isn't an immediate purchase, why not wait and see how the RE Himalayan comes out ?
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If it isn't an immediate purchase, why not wait and see how the RE Himalayan comes out ?
By the looks of it and other details, it should be priced above 3 lacs and waiting for it would also mean keeping my purchase on hold for something of which I am not sure if it would even be launched in 2015.
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I'm not enthu about a more capable bike - the CBR is what it all seems to come back to, again and again. I don't want/need too much.
Having been searching for the last one year with very similar requirements, nothing really comes above the CBR250R. What could have been a better buy was the facelifted CBR, which we are not getting any time soon - thanks to Honda's laziness !

However, one thing that struck me as I was reading through your posts - the CBR does not like old fuel. The fuel pump does not like even 2-3 week old petrol, as reported in some cases - hence storing the bike for 20-25 days at a stretch 'might' be tricky. That apart reliability on the move is top notch ( only issue many of them keep reporting, is the LED of the display clonking off )
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Bdw, any specific reason for keeping out the REs?
Well honestly, one cant keep an RE unused for 25 days and then start it as if nothing happened. Maybe when new, yes but not when it has aged 3+ years.

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ER,

I have the exact same query with a purchase window of 10 Sep or mid Oct so I'll chip in a bit as well, while not trying to conduct a parallel discussion.

I'm not getting any younger so let me focus on getting a capable tourer.
Since you have not mentioned your budget, may I suggest the Triumph Bonneville if it is within reach. A very capable machine and fits your requirements too.
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Sorry - I should've mentioned upfront. While budget is not really a constraint, this is a once-in-a-month-or-lesser tourer. So anything over 2L risks chaos - the wife will have to be appeased with equivalent purchases

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Well honestly, one cant keep an RE unused for 25 days and then start it as if nothing happened. Maybe when new, yes but not when it has aged 3+ years.
Exactly my worry. My pulsar does fine on that respect. Give it choke and let it idle for 2-3 min, and its rough but rideable.

I've lusted after the TB (not ridden) after seeing it a couple of times in person, but I don't want to shell out that moolah

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However, one thing that struck me as I was reading through your posts - the CBR does not like old fuel. The fuel pump does not like even 2-3 week old petrol, as reported in some cases - hence storing the bike for 20-25 days at a stretch 'might' be tricky.
That is my primary use case. Please tell me more - any links would be very welcome.

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If it isn't an immediate purchase, why not wait and see how the RE Himalayan comes out ?
Let's just say I have some emotional baggage when I hear the word RE!

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The only motorcycle that's gonna tick all these boxes is the CBR250R.
May I suggest one in HRC's tricolor that does duty on the 'Blade?

P.S: The Duke is way quicker than the Ceeber and is better bang-for-buck, but expecting it to be reliable would be akin to watching a porn film for its plot. But as long as the Duke decides that its more KTM than a Bajaj, its one helluva machine.

Do keep us posted on what you end up with !

Cheers !

Sundar
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I've in fact heard that P200NS is actually more reliable than the Duke200 of late due to random cost cutting by Duke!

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How about the Yamaha R3? Not sure on your budget but its a pretty good buy.
Way outside the budget. It was always on the horizon though.

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I am sure the 500cc RE bikes are capable in the quickness department.
And the engine is not really as incapable in reliability terms as it is painted out to be on the forums.
Back in my motorcycling heyday (2004-08) I have seen one too many breakdowns of REs, including towing a few friends' bikes myself. Thats why I said - I just need a high speed appliance - no character / presence required Even as of late 2012/early 2013 I've heard close friends bitch about plastic parts falling off and other minor niggles still persisting.
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Sorry - I should've mentioned upfront. While budget is not really a constraint, this is a once-in-a-month-or-lesser tourer. So anything over 2L risks chaos - the wife will have to be appeased with equivalent purchases
The choices would be almost NIL at 2L, for the bikes at that range would hardly be an upgrade. Maybe look towards the used market?
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The choices would be almost NIL at 2L, for the bikes at that range would hardly be an upgrade. Maybe look towards the used market?
In Gurgaon, the C-ABS CBR250R is just about 1.9L or so, if I recall correctly.

The D200 is also in that budget, while the D390 is just a sliver above it, right?
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Way outside the budget. It was always on the horizon though.

From the looks of your requirements I suppose the Honda CB 250 makes itself a good proposition if you can overlook the fact that it is aged and its number showing.

The Duke 390 is good but if you are considering the Duke 200, then give a good look at the Suzuki Gixer 150 (not the naked). It does pack in a lot of quality for the price it is being sold at but might have a limited top end when compared to Honda CB 250
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