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Old 20th March 2017, 18:16   #1
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Honda is reportedly working on a middle-weight motorcycle for the Indian market, which will be competing with bikes from the Royal Enfield portfolio. The company is said to have formed a dedicated team of engineers from Japan and Thailand which will be working in India on the said bike.

This information was reportedly revealed by Noriaki Abe, president and chief executive officer (CEO) at Asian Honda Motor Co. Ltd. Abe will be taking over the charge of CEO of Honda's global motorcycle business from April 1, 2017. He has also indicated the possibility of Honda exporting the final product from India to other markets, including Japan. The company hasn't revealed any specific launch timeline for this upcoming bike.

Interestingly, the middleweight motorcycle segment in India has seen growing customer interest in the past couple of years. Eicher Motors Ltd.'s Royal Enfield brand leads the segment and has been recording significant sales growth. However, seeing the potential of the segment, various new manufacturers have now invaded the market, thus increasing the level of competition. Mahindra's Mojo and Bajaj's Dominar are competing in the same segment, while KTM's 390 twins are also clocking satisfactory sales. Honda is thus planning to have a share of this pie with its new bike.

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Old 20th March 2017, 21:25   #2
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Surprising to see that they are working on new model for India to challenge RE. They already have a suitable candidate on sale.
Why not bring it straight-away?

It's the Rebel!
Available in both 300 & 500cc!

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A very good write-up from Overdrive's Shumi on this topic-

http://m.overdrive.in/opinions/chill...new-re-beater/
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If Honda people are following this thread for ideas, here's my wishlist. I would love a simple, retro looking motorcycle (a la RD 350, CB 750) with a modern engine like CBR 250's or even Karizma's 223cc motor. Sure, I can buy a used RX but being 30+ and having gained some pounds, the RX looks too puny for my frame. The RD looks perfect to me in terms of size and proportions but I am not rich or dedicated enough to maintain and use the legendary motorcycle as a daily runabout.

I am not a fan of modern iterations of retros like the Rebel in above picture or the concept sketches of XSR250/300. I like some old school chrome on the mudguards and grabrails and lustrous spoke wheels.

Currently, the Continental GT comes closest to my dream motorcycle but I will happily let go of the thump in favor of Japanese reliability and refinement.

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Can they first update the CBR250R? It was one of the best alternatives from a touring point of view. Of course, it won't matter to RE posers who buy the bike mainly to 'feel' manly.

But for those who liked RE for it's touring capability had a good alternative with the CBR. It is torquey, has a good riding position + wind protection and a refined engine. But it's too old now and needs an overhaul right now.Unfortunately, Honda has other plans.
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Can they first update the CBR250R? It was one of the best alternatives from a touring point of view. Of course, it won't matter to RE posers who buy the bike mainly to 'feel' manly.

But for those who liked RE for it's touring capability had a good alternative with the CBR. It is torquey, has a good riding position + wind protection and a refined engine. But it's too old now and needs an overhaul right now.Unfortunately, Honda has other plans.
Honda already has the new 2017 CBR250, but they won't launch it in India. Wonder what the Honda management must be smoking. By the time the new RE competitor is released, God knows where the market will be. Vs RE, the competition is less now (add to that the poor engineering of RE) and this is now the time to steal some market share. Honda has to learn from Bajaj on reading the market correctly (Dominar, and Avenger 400 by end of this year likely).

So disappointed with Honda.

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Honda already has the new 2017 CBR250, but they won't launch it in India. Wonder what the Honda management must be smoking. By the time the new RE competitor is released, God knows where the market will be. Vs RE, the competition is less now (add to that the poor engineering of RE) and this is now the time to steal some market share. Honda has to learn from Bajaj on reading the market correctly (Dominar, and Avenger 400 by end of this year likely).

So disappointed with Honda.
Agreed. I always feel Honda is the Toyota of 2-wheelers in India. Reliable yet over-priced, not keen about bringing its fresh products in India & milking Indian customers with its couple of blockbuster products (Activa,Shine : Innova, Fortuner)
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Can they first update the CBR250R? It was one of the best alternatives from a touring point of view. Of course, it won't matter to RE posers who buy the bike mainly to 'feel' manly.

But for those who liked RE for it's touring capability had a good alternative with the CBR. It is torquey, has a good riding position + wind protection and a refined engine. But it's too old now and needs an overhaul right now.Unfortunately, Honda has other plans.
In addition to updating the CBR250R, I really wish Honda would release the CB300F and CBR250RR. They don't have a single twin on the market right now vs. their competitors Yamaha and Kawasaki. I think the CBR250RR and CB300F could really make some decent sales, particularly the CB300F which could be a decent competitor to the Duke 200, Dominar and FZ-25
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Honda needs to start working for a perfect recipe that the market demands.

Ingredients for that recipe

Displacement: 500-600cc Bullet proof Twin cylinder engine

Torque : Available from Low down around 50-55 nm

Bhp : Again 50- 55

Safety: Twin channel ABS ( a must ), Traction control (Desirable)

Ergo : Now this is where I feel the manufacturer needs to focus. Agreed that India has a very young median age of 27-29 and manufacturers from KTM to Yamaha to even Honda try and cater to these, however there is an entire working generation in 30's and 40's with disposable income who have been long term commuters and are now looking to upgrade to something more powerful and safe for their everyday needs.

Then there are many who are looking to return to leisure biking. They do not need a corner carver but end up buying one for lack of options and then six months later realization sets in and they put it on the block at a huge loss.

RE understands this void and has its products placed right for the moment.

Manufacturers need to wake up to this reality. There are hundreds who drool at the Bonnie and end up buying an RE for all the practical reasons. But tomorrow if Triumph thinks of coming with a 500cc twin with all the old world charm, modern safety features and reasonable pricing I am sure these Hundreds will be queuing outside the 'T' Showrooms.

So now, Wake up Honda! You already have the ingredients for the classics/ modern classics in your store.

Still if you need help here it is

Seating: Comfortable and upright with neutral handle bar position and foot controls (look at the RE for reference).
Needs to be a city commuter and should do those weekend highway runs with ease along with a pillion rider and some luggage.

Not all can afford multiple bikes for different purposes, again here RE scores.

If you are serious about building an RE Rival, you now have the recipe.

Cheers!

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http://indianautosblog.com/2017/04/h...ke-time-265029

Honda putting the plans on hold, way to go.
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