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Old 26th February 2007, 16:08   #16
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There was talk of a 165 CC gladiator? which was exhibited last year!! no word of it till now.. this bike looked good some thing to please our eyes and i remember reading something like 16.5 BHP.. thats pretty good.
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Old 26th February 2007, 18:57   #17
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Get the facts right, mate! They are in separate categories. Gladiator has 125 cc engine, so it should be compared with Discover than Pulsar.
Dude what i mean to say is yamaha should start looking at higher CC bikes instad of gladiator, discover etc which comes with 100 or 125cc....For the 100cc there are too many gud bikes in the market. Yamaha should atleast come up ith a gud 150cc bike or above.....
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Old 26th February 2007, 19:04   #18
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I too love the brand name Yamaha... But Yamaha India right now is a piece of joke...

Yesterday, my friend took my P180 DTSi for a ride, and i had to ride his RX100... It fell tiny and small, (Compared to the pulsar), But the way it screamed forward at high revs was amazing... I felt it accelerated as fast as a P150...

Now, this isnt the first time am riding a Yamaha 2 stroke... I have tried the RX135 and frankly wasnt all that impressed...
hehe thats wat yamaha is.....even a 100 cc yamaha is being compared to the new 150 n 180's.....
i own a yamaha rx 135 4 speed and i really like the tiny n small feel maybe because am small too......also i like the way she revs up which gives a competition for the zmas n 180Ps......really to 80kmph rx rules the roost....after which the new crop of machines go ahead......jus consider rough riding and still returnin a mileage of over 43 consistently (at times 60 too)


but then am sure that there are lots of other YAMAHA fans like me out there who have been keeping their bike buying decisions aside and waiting for a new launch from yamaha....i mean a bike which has got looks and also stonking performance like the gladiator 165 and the fazer 250....
if they launch atelast 1 such bike am sure the Bajaj and Hero Honda will have to fight more for a market share in the premium segment.....

comeon guys lets pray for the recovery Of YMIL
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Old 26th February 2007, 21:06   #19
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hehe thats wat yamaha is.....even a 100 cc yamaha is being compared to the new 150 n 180's.....
i own a yamaha rx 135 4 speed and i really like the tiny n small feel maybe because am small too......also i like the way she revs up which gives a competition for the zmas n 180Ps......really to 80kmph rx rules the roost....after which the new crop of machines go ahead......jus consider rough riding and still returnin a mileage of over 43 consistently (at times 60 too)


but then am sure that there are lots of other YAMAHA fans like me out there who have been keeping their bike buying decisions aside and waiting for a new launch from yamaha....i mean a bike which has got looks and also stonking performance like the gladiator 165 and the fazer 250....
if they launch atelast 1 such bike am sure the Bajaj and Hero Honda will have to fight more for a market share in the premium segment.....

comeon guys lets pray for the recovery Of YMIL
Spoken like a true yamaha fan
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Old 26th February 2007, 21:52   #20
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The whole Yamaha story has been sloppy from the time they entered 4 Stroke. They were known as a very reliable brand till the RXs but after that the decline started with the YBX, it was not that bad a bike but it was in the middle of nowhere, neither as fast as the CBZs and Fieros nor as much mileage as the 100+ cc bikes. However it was still ok. Then came the YD125, a downgraded YBX, so they tried to build on an already not so good model, big mistake, it became a Joke. Then comes that odd looking Libero, about which the less said , the better. Even the Enticer despite its good looks did not click cos it could not fit into any category. So gradually the customer has lost confidence in yamaha. They have sowed the seeds of their own demise. They thought sticking to 125CC number and making half hearted bikes they can fool the Indian consumer.

Look at the contrast on the other hand, Bajaj made its leap into the mid sized bike segment with a CBZ beater the 180cc, their advertising was good and above all and product despite of not being the most practical option became hot comodity as it lived up to the Indian dream of a bike.
Today they are able to come up with bikes with Digital Speedos and Fuel Injection. Even the Discover is based on the lines of the Pulsar and yes it sells. People have seen consistency in all other brands except for Yamaha.

I don't think they will ever wake up, they still have the Escorts (Tractor Company) mentality while making bikes. That cannot succeed, some drastic changes have to happen. John Abraham flying thru the skies and an R1 taking Laps in a TV Ad mean almost nothing to the consumer.

I myself was a huge Yamaha Fan, The amount of fun I have had on my RX modding it and racing, I will never have on any bike. I also had an RD which is an Epic of biking experience, but if noticed none of them were actually products developed in India, it was a direct import of the entire design from the 1960s and 1970s, which lingered on till now. So as an Indian company they have not come with a single product which was even close to being a segment leader let alone hit ground breaking sales.

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Old 26th February 2007, 22:28   #21
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I am no bike enthusiast so can't actually compare the Pulsars, the Karizmas and the RXs.
BUT I have a sound enough mind to agree to this:
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They have sowed the seeds of their own demise. They thought sticking to 125CC number and making half hearted bikes they can fool the Indian consumer.
I think the bosses of Yamaha in Japan have a misconception about the Indian bike buyer's psyche. They think making 100 or 125cc bikes will please us all.

Come on.. All of us know what YAMAHA stands for. Not for the puny "Motorcycles" BUT for raging "Bikes", and super Bikes if i may add.
If we want to buy petrol saving 'transporters' we already have too many Indian manufacturers.

If they thought that the large volume in 100-125cc market will yield them greater profits, I think they already have past years' balance sheets to look at and feel. The same (or even greater) profit margin they can easily get with the lower volume, higher cc category. AND more importantly, with it, they will regain what they have lost in India. Their IMAGE.

Hope the company 'ruiners' wake up and start producing what they ought to produce. Thoroughbreds. Nothing else (for now at least).
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Old 27th February 2007, 01:05   #22
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bringing in random bikes wont get yamaha market share. Neither will changing top management.

At present they dont have a proper road map at all.

If they would like to exit, they better do. They are not doing any good for themselves nor the Indian public.

they promised everyone a 165cc gladiator and sold 125cc. Ever imagined how much sales they lost?

Its time YAmaha straightens things up or exits the market forever.
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Great piece of news! I for one find my memories of Yamaha's past(RD 350-RX-100-even RXZ) more precious than its pathetic existance in the present(Yuck-Yuck-more Yuck).

I have been a Yamaha owner for long:1991-1997-various 1986-87 model RX-100s,1999-2002-RD 350,2005-2007-V MAX and RD 350.

Atleast they should consider scaling down their operations and bring out enthusiast bikes they were famous for,as against their desparate bid to remain in the mass production-rat race.
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Old 27th February 2007, 09:50   #24
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All they need to do now is come out of the 125CC bracket and work on something bigger....They show an R1 in the tv add and on the other side they try to market a punky bike....Neither the college boys nor the elderly people will buy one they are stuck between gutter and heaven..
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Old 27th February 2007, 10:20   #25
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How about if they just cann the 100 - 200 cc segment, and be the first to enter the 250 - 600cc segment. Will do wonders for the brand.

And an R6 with bill, warranty, service and clean papers? Drool.....
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How about if they just cann the 100 - 200 cc segment, and be the first to enter the 250 - 600cc segment. Will do wonders for the brand.

And an R6 with bill, warranty, service and clean papers? Drool.....
Now that a dream GTO !!
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Old 27th February 2007, 15:30   #27
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There is news of a 165 cc 16.5 bhp bike doin the rounds....hopefully it will come out....
The worst part is almost every manufacturer has a 150 cc bike barring yamaha...still donno wht they're thinking....They have regular changes in management just like FIAT have..yet fail to understand the indian consumers psyche....When the new Gladiator was launched it was supposed to be a fresh beginning for yamaha,but still c them heading nowhere....
Hopefully they will act soon enuff & we will c YAMAHA rise.....
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How about if they just cann the 100 - 200 cc segment, and be the first to enter the 250 - 600cc segment. Will do wonders for the brand.

And an R6 with bill, warranty, service and clean papers? Drool.....
I hope this dream comes true.. being a yamaha fan, i will still keep my 4 speed 98' RX135 and be among the first to book the R6..
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I hope this dream comes true.. being a yamaha fan, i will still keep my 4 speed 98' RX135 and be among the first to book the R6..
wow u r a true yamaha fan....hmm upgrade from rx to r6???thts awsome upgrade.....me too planning to go for a yamaha once it launches a good one....but not the r6 type sbks but those smaller cc bikes like the gladi 165....shall upgrade to r6 maybe sometime later whn i get a high pay job...till then rx rx all the way
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honestly, i dont see whats so great about the Hero Honda 100/125ccs or the Bajaj Auto 125ccs. discover/glamour/victor etc. either. bikers have just decided that they like them thats all. i dont think yamaha did anything wrong, that HH did right.

i am seeing an attitude here, amongst us, that we dont care about others, bajaj and HH are enough for us. thats such a silly attitude really. without enough competition in the market - we are the ones who will suffer. bajaj and HH WILL hike prices, and slow down on new offerings, new technologies.
ultimately if we give the market on a platter to one/two players, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

there SHOULD be space for other cos too.
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