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Old 11th December 2014, 16:04   #3136
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This is about service frequncy for 2 wheelers. TVS Jupiter and most of the TVS brand require 3 monthly service with oil change 6 monthly. in other words it is 6 months or 6000 kms, 9 moths or 9000 kms, 12 months and 12000 kms etc. so it works out to 6000 km or 6 months whichever is earlier between oil changes. I feel this is too frequent as they are using similar engine oil that is used in cars and cars require oil change every 10,000 kms. Any comments from the gurus?
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This is about service frequncy for 2 wheelers. TVS Jupiter and most of the TVS brand require 3 monthly service with oil change 6 monthly. in other words it is 6 months or 6000 kms, 9 moths or 9000 kms, 12 months and 12000 kms etc. so it works out to 6000 km or 6 months whichever is earlier between oil changes. I feel this is too frequent as they are using similar engine oil that is used in cars and cars require oil change every 10,000 kms. Any comments from the gurus?
Only the grade of oil is the same. Apart from that

1. The car engine is cooled better, and oil too remains cooler. In the scooter it's air cooler which is less effective.
2. The scooter engine runs at a higher speed most of the times compared to a car which will mean more wear and tear.
3. Quantity of oil is lesser and there is no indication for low oil.

Hence quicker change is required.
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I have a Honda Dio, 2005 Model with about 38,000Kms on ODO. Had it since brand new, seen her age gracefully but of late she has a nagging issue that the H.A.S.S isnt/doesnt want to help.

The CVT/Clutch slips (I guess) - when going at around 25Kmph (approx) and you open her up quick to buildup speed there is a sudden stop/jerk (you can feel a blip inside the engine but doesnt transfer to forward movement).

It runs fine there after, no issues at all. Issue seen in both cold and warm engine conditions. Service center says all Ok, its normal, fills new gear oil for each service and we move on.

I sincerely feel the 3 (brake pad look-a-like) pieces that make up the clutch are the culprit, but is there any other suspect from veterans here?
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[quote=zulfi hansi;3578569]You are lucky, there is a good n old authorised workshop if you haven't known till now, it is Motoland on Dinnur main road QUOTE]

Zuifi, I gave my scooter to Motoland and the results are pleasing!

1. The vehicle was returned on time.
2.thoroughly cleaned and some polish was applied which made the vehicle shiny .
3. There was a part near the clutch which was replaced.
4. The carburettor was cleaned and retuned, was advised to run for sometime and see the improvement else the carburettor needs replacement due to worn out internals.
5. Oil change done.
6.belt was checked and was told it is in good condition.
7. Spark plug changed and the correct gap set.
8. Rear brake pads changed and both brakes tightened
9. Oil filter was not changed, was told it may not be needed if i can recall correctly.
10. Centre stand tightened

Observations:
1. The vehicles starts fine and idles fine.Earlier, It was switching off once the operating temperatures were attained.
2. The vehicle seems to scrape only the biggest speed breakers. The small and medium ones do not disturb me now.
3. Mileage seems to have improved, a tankful to tankful method is pending.
4.No idling, jerking problems.the engine note is different, sounds eager now.
5.Taut braking
6.increase in pickup, but I have started riding smoothly now so that I enjoy the vehicle's crisp exhaust note 😊 , top speed is 50 max.
7.No hesitation in gaining the initial momentum while starting from standstill.
8. Door drop of vehicle and a pocket easy bill .

Hope this positive experience continues in the forth coming days. This place is well recommended for Kinetic vehicles.
Zulfi, my sincere thanks to you. Glad you recommended me this place.
God bless you
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I sincerely feel the 3 (brake pad look-a-like) pieces that make up the clutch are the culprit, but is there any other suspect from veterans here?
Not a veteran of any sort but I think that is the problem. The clutch shoes either have to be cleaned or replaced. I have vaguely heard from the SA that the clutch shoes need changing every 15k kms. Last time after service my dio was showing the same behaviour but the SA told it would set properly in a day. It happened so. Have you changed the belt anytime?
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I have a Honda Dio, 2005 Model with about 38,000Kms on ODO. Had it since brand new, seen her age gracefully but of late she has a nagging issue that the H.A.S.S isnt/doesnt want to help.

The CVT/Clutch slips (I guess) - when going at around 25Kmph (approx) and you open her up quick to buildup speed there is a sudden stop/jerk (you can feel a blip inside the engine but doesnt transfer to forward movement).

It runs fine there after, no issues at all. Issue seen in both cold and warm engine conditions. Service center says all Ok, its normal, fills new gear oil for each service and we move on.

I sincerely feel the 3 (brake pad look-a-like) pieces that make up the clutch are the culprit, but is there any other suspect from veterans here?
Your diagnosis is likely correct - one of the two CVT clutches is a bit "sticky". Please take your scooter to a good independent mechanic.
This is the kind of problem that is not going to leave you stranded on the road, and will take some time/effort to correctly figure out what's going wrong and how to fix. I suspect Honda A.S.S. simply couldn't be bothered investing the time/effort for this.
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Zulfi, my sincere thanks to you. Glad you recommended me this place.
God bless you
I am delighted that you got the best possible for your scooter, he is genuine guy which is nearly impossible to find nowadays. The real reason why I am still happily using my old KH Y2K 2000 model even till date which has clocked 63K kms [now occasionally] is simply because of this workshop. The pleasure was all mine and the reward is that you are happy.
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Is the clutch on an Access 125 adjustable as a DIY project? Does this procedure require changing engine oil?

Is someone aware of a good independent scooter mechanic in Hyderabad (Secunderabad preferably) ?

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Guys! I need your URGENT advice.

It's a long list of question but please help me out of this!
  • I am going to finalize on a scooter and have shortlisted the TVS Wego (Disc) and TVS Jupiter.
  • I like the Wego but it seems to be unavailable here at Virar and according to some dealers it might take a month.
  • Where the Wego is available they are quoting almost 58-60K on road!
My questions are:
  1. Which is the better scooter amongst two?
  2. Is "disc" brake that important in a scooter?
  3. I will ride 12.5kms (one way) purely on smooth tarmac highway daily so now is the disc brake important?
  4. Why are the dealers charging so much as compared to on-road price quotes from websites?
  5. Where can I refer for correct on-road prices?
There's vast difference between prices amongst dealers but none to close to the on-road price quoted on the websites.
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I have the same dilemma as you RavSam but I have finalised on the Jupiter due to the following reasoning :

1. I do not like the looks of the Wego especially from the rear.
2. Digital speedometer of the Wego is not very easy to read compared to the analogue one of the Jupiter although it does come with trip meters.
3. Since the scooter will mainly be used for errands and will not do any highway runs, I chose not to have the disk brake, although I would have pumped for it if Jupiter had the option.
4. Felt the ride of the Jupiter to be more stable and comfortable although balance was better in the Wego.
5. Wanted a front pannier (box) but going in for the Jupiter in spite of it not having an option to fit it since the one on the Wego is puny and quite useless to store anything meaningful.

Hope all this helps you to make your decision, and BTW Wego was my first choice till I actually did a detailed compare on the two ! On road price quoted for me was INR 58,100/- for the Jupe and INR 59,000/- for the Wego without any accessories.

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I have the same dilemma as you .... without any accessories.
Hey, thanks a lot brother! Really appreciate it.
I have pretty much finalized on a Silver Jupiter now since I think Silver is the easiest color to maintain and though I just LOVE the red color I know that I cannot bear to see even one scratch mark visible on it!

I was laughing when the dealers told me that Scooters don't need disc brakes as they have less cc and what not which made me want to ask them as why on earth do the bi-cycles have two of them then!

I wanted the Wego with disc brakes but I am now happy with Silver Jupiter.

Now a last question: Is the excise duty going to increase on scooters in January 2015? Or can I wait for a new year purchase?
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Now a last question: Is the excise duty going to increase on scooters in January 2015? Or can I wait for a new year purchase?
Sales in December are generally low hence dealers tend to say that there will be increase. Even if there is, it should not be very high to warrant a purchase just few days before the new year.
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Disc brakes would do a lot good to the wego. I didn't go for it as the waiting was more than a month and in most probability I would've gotten the old warehouse one which was lying around for long.

Wego brakes are nowhere close to the hondas but yes, what will make you smile is the ride quality. The digital speedometer grows on you and looks good. I got my first service done on the weekend, engine oil and gear oil change. Total damage 380 bucks.
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Disc brakes would do a lot good to the wego. I didn't go for it as the waiting was more than a month .... change. Total damage 380 bucks.
Yes, I don't know why there is so much of waiting for the Wego with Disc brake! I visited 5 showrooms and NONE of them had the new Wego on display and had hell of a lot of Jupiters on display! I have just seen one new Wego on the road and the rest were the old ones. I see a lot of Jupiters lately.

So, with all things considered, I am going for the Jupiter.
Is that steel all around body guard necessary? Looks ugly but people have told me to go for it. It's coming free with it.
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Hey, thanks a lot brother! Really appreciate it.
I have pretty much finalized on a Silver Jupiter now since I think Silver is the easiest color to maintain and though I just LOVE the red color I know that I cannot bear to see even one scratch mark visible on it!

I was laughing when the dealers told me that Scooters don't need disc brakes as they have less cc and what not which made me want to ask them as why on earth do the bi-cycles have two of them then!

I wanted the Wego with disc brakes but I am now happy with Silver Jupiter.

Now a last question: Is the excise duty going to increase on scooters in January 2015? Or can I wait for a new year purchase?
Congrats on your choice ! I am confused between the red and the grey one, both looked good but the grey is a matte finish, easy to take care off and a little more sobre. Silver and Beige are the two new colours released, have not seen them yet so cannot comment. I am waiting for a purchase sometime in the first week of Jan and the dealers have not told me that the price is going to go up. I hear that the Jupiter might have a small make over with front disk brakes and a digital console added on, does anyone here have any news on such an upgrade ?
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