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Old 15th February 2008, 16:45   #421
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Thanks for again and again going through this thread and reading my post, it willl definetely help you gain more knowledge in Automobile as u nead to learn lot to understand how an modern bike runs,

Nevermind about being shy in asking silly questions and clarifying through my post in this forum.

To start with Test 1. Does an 350cc Bullet makes thrice the speed of an 100cc Hero Honda? If not Why? Try to find the answer using ur brain, if u can't pls be free to PM me and ask stpd questions as I am pleased to help u at any moment.

I hope this forum encourages healthy discussion about various products as and when they appear in the market instead sticking to one and only Brand and its products leading to an stalle&stagnant situation.
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It may be due to the company.
Kinetic has a record of launching new models and junking them within 2-3yrs time. People definitely want to use their vehicles for more than that.

Also the service and availability of parts is pathetic to say the least (at least in pune). Last month I went to Pagaria Kinetic in Pune for some work on my GF170 Laser. They asked me to first deposit Rs.5000 and then only they will start working on my bike. I told them to go to hell.

I finally went to local mechanic. Procured all the required parts my self (lot of running around involved) and got all the work done.

Flyte may be good but I won't advice anyone to go for it.

yes it may be due to the company but what i was saying is that sp said great things about the flyte and access just a couple of months back thats all. i am questioning his inconsistent posts and not the facts that you have mentioned above. and now see his post again. he is again contradicting himself.

sp, hats off to you and your analogies between a 350cc bullet and a 100cc splendor.

foot 'n' mouth syndrome it appears. or to use "auto language" it appears to be a loose head bolt.
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It may be due to the company.
Kinetic has a record of launching new models and junking them within 2-3yrs time. People definitely want to use their vehicles for more than that.
I finally went to local mechanic. Procured all the required parts my self (lot of running around involved) and got all the work done.
That exactly the problem with the Kinetic along with quality issues.
My neighbour has this GF125. a lot of ad's came back then when it was in production.....But he has a tough time nowdays keeping it in condition...Spares though is not as big a problem if we get it on our own, we even get it cheaper with a guy who is a distributor for honda and kinetic parts...but the newer junked model's spares are not as easy to get.
Another friend got a dec 06' NOVA his piston has been replaced 3 times and dozen problems....
Some how im averse of giving it to the service centre coz they do a rough job and replace all sort of parts to add to the bill.
So, i buy the parts and get it serviced with a guy who is good, has been doing my kine for the last 12 years.

Some how, it seems to me that kinetic has deals with other companies to lend technology.....unlike the limited edition Aquila's which were limited in number, these have a limited period after which they are junked...
When i get a new bike or car its there to stay, and stay for real long.

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I feel sorry for some members in the forum who stand behind CC before selecting an scooter saying the more the CC better the scooter without fully understanding what experts or users say.


I think its high time to educate these people who have belived all these years in the misleading ads made by the auto industry for the sake of sales like,higher the CC better the vehicle (like suzuki brought ads saying two stroke is better than four stroke).


I sincerly advice to these people to gain more knowledge about the product ur speaking before writing in a public forum so that you don't make fool of ur A$$ or atleast please don't confuse genuine buyers
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My neighbour has this GF125. a lot of ad's ...Spares though is not as big a problem if we get it on our own,
Getting spares for GF170 is very difficult. (there are lesser GF170s on road than GF125s)
Many times I have to contact Kinetic ASM directly to get some parts because I can't get them in market and still it takes time.
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Getting spares for GF170 is very difficult. (there are lesser GF170s on road than GF125s)
Many times I have to contact Kinetic ASM directly to get some parts because I can't get them in market and still it takes time.
Yeah, I'm getting spares of the kinetic honda still coz of the sheer number of the bikes on the road and demand.....There are a few bikes kinetic has launched and scrapped, getting spares for those is not as easy, GF series, even a mileage based motor cycle...even kinetic style....
I wonder how comet and Aquila are doing on this front.
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Yeah, I'm getting spares of the kinetic honda still coz of the sheer number of the bikes on the road and demand.....There are a few bikes kinetic has launched and scrapped, getting spares for those is not as easy, GF series, even a mileage based motor cycle...even kinetic style....
I wonder how comet and Aquila are doing on this front.
there is surely a head bolt badly loose here in this thread. anyway getting back to the topic at hand.....

spares for the aquila and comet are hard to come by. waiting for 2-3 weeks is normal for some slow-moving items. but till now at least they are still coming slowly to keep the bikes on road.

this reputation of kinetic is surely hurting a good product like the flyte. it will be a while before the bitter memories are erased.

list of bikes that bombed at the box-office:
1. boss
2. velocity
3. challenger
4. stryker
5. gf125
6. gf170

do they make bikes any more?
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This reputation of Kinetic is surely hurting a good product like the flyte, it will be a while before the bitter memories are erased.
Even Nova had got the scooter of the year award back in the days.
In kinetic brief independent history....history has just repeated itself.
Hope the newer bikes change the trend.
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[quote][/hw]this reputation of kinetic is surely hurting a good product like the flyte. it will be a while before the bitter memories are erased.

list of bikes that bombed at the box-office:
1. boss
2. velocity
3. challenger
4. stryker
5. gf125
6. gf170

what about the scooters that flopped

1.Nova
2.Blaze

and who's going to erase the bad memories ?


I think only fools(like ones who support diehardly) will go behind Kinetic even after this bad experiences.
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As the grapevine in the auto industry saying kinetic is going to be amalgamated to another company which is not SYM and i am wondering what will happen to the genie Flyte in comming years though it may be a good product there may not be support and service what a pathetic situation.
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what about the scooters that flopped

1.Nova
2.Blaze

and who's going to erase the bad memories ?


I think only fools(like ones who support diehardly) will go behind Kinetic even after this bad experiences.
You are being very rude there.
Every one has an opinion and a choice.
May be kinetic also made a choice to redeem it self. Probably the Flyte is going to be followed up better.

You cant genralise saying die hard followers....even you were a first timer with some thing at some point of time....and a couple of bad years doth not mean permanence..
I still love my kine, its zips better than the Activa till 50 km/hr, just hoped that the quality was as good as before...
Let there be difference b/w a description of experience and forced advise....
Let the person read and decide for him self.

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I feel sorry for some members in the forum who stand behind CC before selecting an scooter saying the more the CC better the scooter without fully understanding what experts or users say.


I think its high time to educate these people who have belived all these years in the misleading ads made by the auto industry for the sake of sales like,higher the CC better the vehicle (like suzuki brought ads saying two stroke is better than four stroke).


I sincerly advice to these people to gain more knowledge about the product ur speaking before writing in a public forum so that you don't make fool of ur A$$ or atleast please don't confuse genuine buyers
Here are some thoughts to open your mind. Which I doubt, but I'll try nonetheless:
a. By the above logic, P180/ZMA are no different?
b. Of course, you would say that HH was stupid in making the Super splendor, that's heavier and just a tad bit more powered than the platina?
2007 Bajaj Platina specifications and pictures 2006 Hero Honda Super Splendor specifications and pictures
c. Like you'd agree - the proof of the pudding is in the torque delivery curve.

Without it, all is just meaningless numbers.

And your holier-than-thou follow-what-I-say posts aren't helping the discussion one bit. Can we get back to the basics, mutual respect please?

PS: completely agree about Flyte suffering courtesy Kinetic's reputation. A similar product from HMSI stable would've rocketed the charts, minus Ms Basu.
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PS: completely agree about Flyte suffering courtesy Kinetic's reputation. A similar product from HMSI stable would've rocketed the charts, minus Ms Basu.
yeah, you are right. but at least it appears that we generally agree that the flyte is genuinely good, which is half the hard work done. now its the second half that is going to be tough due to the reputation of the last 7-8 years.

for the sake of the customers and the company and sym company i hope that in the coming years kinetic will be able to redeem its reputation. my sister had a kinetic honda dx and both she and i loved it. now after so many years for the first time i have a good feeling about a kinetic product, the flyte.

the grapevine actually says that sym might take a controlling stake in kinetic which will be good news for indian 2-wheeler market. sym has a fantastic and successful range of gearless scooters.
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I had logged from this forum for a few weeks and now I am back and I see that the discussion is still the same!!
Maybe this thread should be locked now!

By the way, my Flyte has completed 1200 kms in 3 months and I am very happy with it
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PS: completely agree about Flyte suffering courtesy Kinetic's reputation. A similar product from HMSI stable would've rocketed the charts, minus Ms Basu.
But HMSI is not giving us such a good product, is it? so whats the point of such a statement...

A good scooter is a good scooter & flyte is a very good scooter, opined by owners and "real" auto experts (not fake ones like sathyaprakash on this forum) who actually ride & test & learn about all cars, bikes & scooters...

finally tell me .. i am much younger than all of you (I think) but doesnt common sense tell you that if a company is making a very good scooter then its doing something right, and so it reflects well on the company, doesnt it?

flyte will elevate kinetics image in the market. already has elevated.

and that may be due to sym.. their logo is all over the flyte and my key says only SYM not kinetic at all...

i will be off this forum for some days now as exams are approaching but i enjoyed (most of) the discussion here.. wish you guys all the best ..
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