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Old 25th August 2009, 21:39   #796
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I have had the opportunity to own both the Dio and Flyte in the family and get to ride them for fairly long distances in the city. Hence posting the comparo! Both the vehicles are used only in the city in bumper to bumper traffic conditions and during relatively less congested times of the day/night.

Model: Kinetic Sym Flyte
Year of Purchase: May 2008
Services so far: 4 Free services & 1 paid service [i think, not very sure as bro is maintaining the scoot]
Kms on the Odo: 5089 kms

1. Stability at high speeds - There are no vibrations and inspires confidence upto 80 kmph speeds as indicated on the speedo.
2. Convenient front fuelling system - Self explanatory as it saves the hassle of getting down from the bike everytime you have fill fuel [specially with such a small capacity tank which is elaborated below]
3. Telescopic front shocks - Very big advantage on potholed roads as it soaks up the bumps and does not allow the shocks to travel to the handlebars and in turn to your hands.
4. Handling - Handles very well both at slow as well as high speeds.
5. Build quality - Though the scoot looks small, its very sturdy and takes the pot holed roads with aplomb. Though you enter an unexpected pot hole at high speed [50 kmph is high for scoots] it does not judder with various sounds or does not feel as if its going to fall apart.
6. Refinement - The engine feels very quiet right from the beginning and even after one year of use and abuse at times by my bro, its held up well and the engine is still as quiet as it was at the beginning. No coarseness or dramatic vibes from the engine.
7. Fuel tank capacity - The fuel tank capacity is so less that it can hardly hold 4 Lts of petrol. This is really a pain as you need to visit the petrol bunk frequently.
8. Mileage - The only time the vehicle returned a good mileage was before the first service which was 37 kmpl. After that it has always been below 30 kmpl. The best is 30 kmpl and the worst is 25 kmpl!!! Adding to the agony is the small capacity tank which ensures that i have to visit the bunk every 3 days since my commute involves atleast 40 kms travel per day to office.
9. Horn - I know this is a very minor issue, but still the horn is non existent. It can hardly scare a fly let alone pedestrians and other vehicles.
10. Pulling power - With 2 people on board, it struggles to pull in not so inclined roads. Runs out of breath very soon and mileage drops even further!!! After getting it rectified at the service center, it is fine for 2 months and back to square one again.. Phew!!
11. Seating position - Somehow both me and my brother have not been able to find the right seating position. Both of us are 6 footers and are lean. Each time we use Flyte, we get elbow pains due to poor riding position.
12. Visits to service center - The Kinetic service center is pathetic. After the first service itself, there was leakage in the fuel tank which was replaced under warranty. The scoot refused to go above 30 kmph with a single person on board after the first service. Numerous o-ring seals have been replaced in the last one year [IIRC, one every 45 days]. It has been diagnosed for mileage issues countless times. No luck!
13. Fit and Finish - Though the external body paint is good, the fit and finish of the plastics leaves a lot to be desired. The gaps where the screws meet the body panels is very evident and give a cheap look on the whole. The plastics started looking aged and worn out from the 4th month of ownership itself though its parked in the basement well shaded from rain and sun. The switchgear also is not robust.
14. Lights - All the lights including the turn indicators are decent enough for city riding. No complaints in this area.
15. Brakes - Brakes are a weak point of the scoot where in it does not stop at the time you expect it to which is very dangerous given the speeds upto which this scoot can go.
16. Cold Starts - Sore point of the bike. Takes atleast 10 kicks with choke and takes atleast 2-3 kms of warming up before it rides normally.

Model: Honda Dio
Year of Purchase: April 2009
Services so far: 2 Free services
Kms on the Odo: 3018 kms

1. Stability at high speeds - Somehow Dio has not inspired confidence in me to go past 65 kmph whereas in the flyte you can keep pushing it till 80 kmph after which it too runs out of breath. Both the speeds are as indicated on the speedo.
2. Traditional Under Seat Fuelling System - Get down every time you visit the petrol bunk for fuel.
3. Suspension - Bottom link front shocks are not really that good on the dio and all the road undulations are passed onto the handle bars which in turn lead to aches and pains in the hand if you ride it on bad roads for extended durations.
4. Handling - Handling at slow speeds is pretty good but as mentioned in point 1, handling past 60 kmph does not inspire confidence to push further.
5. Build Quality - The entire body is of fiber and hence it gives a delicate feel to the Dio. Infact a cyclist who brushed the scoot when my wife was riding it broke the fiber panel near the tail light. But going thru potholes and bad roads does not induce any vibrations or weak body panels yet and hence would suffice to say that its holding up well for the last 4 months.
6. Refinement - The engine felt noisier than the Flyte right from the beginning when the bike was new. Even after crossing 3000 kms, its still on the higher side compared to the Flyte. But no extra sounds or vibes from the engine.
7. Fuel Tank Capacity - The tank has a decent capacity of 6-6.5 lts of petrol. This coupled with a decent mileage give the scoot a good riding distance.
8. Mileage - The Dio has been returning a decent mileage right from the day one of ownership. Before the first service as it was being ridden sedately, it consistently returned 45-47 kmpl. After the first service due to spirited riding, it started returning 41-43 kmpl. But even after spirited riding it returns figures above 40 almost always.
9. Horn - Much better and louder compared to Flyte.
10. Pulling power - There has never been an issue with pick up and pulling power with 2 people and sometimes 3 people over short distances over fairly inclined roads as well. Has a good amount of pulling power and pick up.
11. Seating position - No aches and pains!! Spot on seating for both me and my bro.
12. Visits to service center - Though i had heard horror stories of honda service centers, the one in domlur is pretty good and the vehicle has gone for the 2 free services and only once for the panel replacement of the tail light which was our fault. Apart from this no other visits so far to the service center.
13. Fit and Finish - The plastic is a tad better compared to Flyte but still some panel gaps are evident. Switchgear is definitely better than flyte
14. Lights - Very good illumination for riding in the city at nights.
15. Brakes - Sufficient braking power for daily city commute. No complaints here.
16. Cold Start - Has not been a problem since day 1. Takes max 2 kicks without the choke. On extremely cold days when it has not been used for more than 2-3 days, it takes 2-3 kicks with the choke.

I have tried to cover all the aspects that would be encountered by an everyday user. These are purely my opinions of both the bikes after using them for the above mentioned duration!!
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Old 29th August 2009, 16:13   #797
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Sym Flyte is a much better Scoot than the Honda Stables except for some quality issues. Otherwise the Scoot as a Product is excellant.
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Did you decide on any scooter buddy ?
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Abhinav, There may be a problem with your Flyte that has not been rectified by the service people, or most probably they have screwed up your scooter at first service. My wife owns a Flyte and it always pulled better with two persons and it consistently gave us 40-45 kmpl. Never had cold start problems. My wife never used kick start till now (of couse, she never knew who to do it).
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BTW Mahindra launched two more scoots Rodeo and duro with 125cc heart, priced between 39k-41k...
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Abhinav, There may be a problem with your Flyte that has not been rectified by the service people, or most probably they have screwed up your scooter at first service. My wife owns a Flyte and it always pulled better with two persons and it consistently gave us 40-45 kmpl. Never had cold start problems. My wife never used kick start till now (of couse, she never knew who to do it).
I guess they have probably screwed it in the first service. Out of the 5000 odd kms that it has run, i have used it in the initial 1000 and the later 1500 kms. Rest of the time it was being used by my brother. The initial 1000 was better compared to the later 1500 kms of riding for me.

Another problem with Flyte is that the warranty will be void if you get the vehicle repaired from any other mechanic apart from the authorised service center it seems
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One Of My friend owns a TVS Scooty pep+ since more than 2 years and 15,000 Km+ done on road.
1>Top Speed on straight road 75km/hr on slopes it goes to 80 also.
2>stability is really good for the size and class.
3>Consistant milage 45-50 km/lit. in Panaji and Goa state.
4> Built quality is too good not a single rattle.
5>Fornt telescopic shocks very good for bad roads.
6>Very good head light spread one of the best in class.
7>Stand very easy to put.
9>Not a single single problem in past 2 years only regular service.
10> Except for the girlish looks i think this is the best all rounder with excellent Reliability.
11>Nice quality Plastics even after 2 years the colur of plastic is same.
12>Nice little touches like mobile charger,nice hooks under seat and at handle also aslo some space on foot board for small bottles which makes practical bike.
13> and streak is also very good with upgraded tyres ,suspentions ,better looks ,fuel cap is backside no need to open seat to fill the fuel.
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[quote=abhinav.s;1449802] Flyte - 16. Cold Starts - Sore point of the bike. Takes atleast 10 kicks with choke and takes atleast 2-3 kms of warming up before it rides normally.

Dio - 16. Cold Start - Has not been a problem since day 1. Takes max 2 kicks without the choke. On extremely cold days when it has not been used for more than 2-3 days, it takes 2-3 kicks with the choke.

Seems like, you've problem with both the Scoots. I'd an Activa and currently own Flyte. Till now, we've never used Kick start in Flyte even after 18 months.

Whenever you start any electric starter, don't use the accelator. With this you never need to use the Choke also. It applies to any electric starter whether it is Bike or Car.
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Whenever you start any electric starter, don't use the accelator. With this you never need to use the Choke also. It applies to any electric starter whether it is Bike or Car.
Thanks for the tip Jazz. Having tried this on the Dio, it seems to work but only with the choke. Will get it checked at the Service Center when i give it for service this time. Dont have access to Flyte since my brother is using it in a another city. Will try it next time i get a chance.

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Booked a Honda Dio couple of days ago. The waiting period is a whopping 3 months
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....The waiting period is a whopping 3 months
This seems to be the issue with all dealers in Bangalore. A colleague of mine wanted to book one and when inquired with a few dealers, most of them said was 60-90 days and the least was 30 days by Haiku Honda in Domlur.
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Anybody tested the new Mahindra scooters? How are they with respect to our present popular scooters? Anything new in them?
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The Flyte mileage is very bad - only 30/33km per ltre. May be lowest in the segment
(even the kinetic 4s was getting better mileage - AFter mahindra taking over kinetic, did they stop the kinetic 4s models?). Normally we use the scooter only for city traffic and easy for parking (where it is not at all possible for a car to park).

I made complaints on the mileage issue to the dealer but inspite of he doing something the story remain same. The looks and ride quality /suspension is good except the plastics which are very low quality.

Mahindra should do something, if they need to be in competition

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Well Honda is having labor problems in their plant & hence the waiting period is huge.

We were planning to get an Activa but the waiting period is just too much.

Anybody has a review on HH pleasure to share, looks are subjective so I am only looking at functional feedback. Thanks
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This seems to be the issue with all dealers in Bangalore. A colleague of mine wanted to book one and when inquired with a few dealers, most of them said was 60-90 days and the least was 30 days by Haiku Honda in Domlur.
I had opted to buy Dio instead of the Activa way back about 6 years back because Activa had a waiting period now looks like all models of HMSI are on fire
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