Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Motorbikes


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12th June 2008, 10:37   #451
Senior - BHPian
 
Fountainheader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 1,502
Thanked: 8 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jkdas View Post
Will be a rocket for sure coz of power to weight ratio. Pulsar weighs 150kgs?
The Pulsar weighs around 140 Kgs.

Also at this price point, I guess Yamaha should provide atleast 3 Free fairings. Or better to specify the price of the same
Fountainheader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 10:37   #452
Senior - BHPian
 
kutlee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 1,126
Thanked: 194 Times
Default

Stop worrying guys, you can remap the ECU to have more power. Should be a puch.
Power to weight is the factor. Power alone won't get you anywhere..
kutlee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 10:51   #453
Senior - BHPian
 
veyron1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 1,426
Thanked: 37 Times
Default

At 1 Lac, the 220 DTS-Fi is a far better deal, IMHO. Except for liquid cooling, monoshock rear & a six-speed tranny, the bike is more than a match for the R15.

As I see it, here's the biforcation.

Handling, reliablity - ZMA.
Performance, VFM - 220 DTS-FI.
Technology, pose value - R15.

Yamaha has some serious issues to be sorted out here. Competing with the locals ain't gonna set the sales charts on fire.

Although they have realised that the moolah lies in the premium segment, they have failed to acknowledge that there's no replacement for displacement. A 250 was the bare minimum that they could've done.
veyron1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 10:54   #454
Distinguished - BHPian
 
jkdas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Thiruvananthapu
Posts: 9,661
Thanked: 1,389 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fountainheader View Post
The Pulsar weighs around 140 Kgs.

Also at this price point, I guess Yamaha should provide atleast 3 Free fairings. Or better to specify the price of the same
1) Its Yamaha
2) Refinement , 6 gear, water cooled, FI
3) Looks part
4) Exclusivity

Hope this become the RX100 of 150's



Quote:
Originally Posted by kutlee View Post
Stop worrying guys, you can remap the ECU to have more power. Should be a puch.
Power to weight is the factor. Power alone won't get you anywhere..
Is it readily available?

veyron1; the P220 didnt set the sale charts on fire right?

Last edited by jkdas : 12th June 2008 at 10:55.
jkdas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 11:06   #455
BHPian
 
redrage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bengalooru
Posts: 544
Thanked: 58 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jkdas View Post
Pulsar weighs 150kgs?
138 kg's for 180 Dtsi


Could anyone confirm the on road price of the R15?

Last edited by redrage : 12th June 2008 at 11:08.
redrage is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 11:16   #456
BHPian
 
ms001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: bangalore
Posts: 919
Thanked: 63 Times
Default on road price in bangalore

Quote:
Originally Posted by redrage View Post
138 kg's for 180 Dtsi


Could anyone confirm the on road price of the R15?

on road price in bangalore 1 lakh 11 thousand 500 Rs only..(source orion motors)
ms001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 11:19   #457
Senior - BHPian
 
mail4ajo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,834
Thanked: 222 Times
Default

The power output is a big let down. I think this affect the prospects in the market. Most buyers look at only the power and styling.

I went around office asking people if they knew what "power to weight ratio" is. Lot of hardcore bikers didnt. So unless Yamaha embarks upon a big campaign to educate people, this stunt of keeping the power output confidential till the launch will not pull through.

I am sure they wanted to create initial interest in the bike and some confirmed bookings and kept the specs underwraps. I am sure if the full specs were out, there would be no excitement at all.

Who let out the rumours saying its going to be 22bhp? Why wasnt there rumours that its going to be only 15bhp? Shady and misleading marketing. Iam sure the dealers have done their part as well.

Buyers.......any comments???

Last edited by mail4ajo : 12th June 2008 at 11:25.
mail4ajo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 11:36   #458
BHPian
 
redrage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bengalooru
Posts: 544
Thanked: 58 Times
Default

It was really crazy from Yamaha's side to ask the dealeres to take booking of the bike without releasing the spec's before. But i feel the bike as a product wont disappoint,and dont be fooled about 17 ps, the way this 120 kg yam puts it out is what matters, but is the price justified?. How many daily bikers do 0-100 runs and 125+ top speed's?
1,11,500 huh? Kind of steep.
redrage is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 11:37   #459
Senior - BHPian
 
straight6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Bombay
Posts: 2,343
Thanked: 112 Times
Default

This bike has turned out to be just like those "wannabe" bikes which are actually pulsars which are made to look like Busa's, R1's etc by putting a set of fairing on them .
straight6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 11:49   #460
BHPian
 
praJEEP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Bengaluru
Posts: 537
Thanked: 3 Times
Default

All the hype created by yamaha is now of no use expect they got some nice handy advance bookings. there nothing special sharing the same engine specs as the zma and lookalikes like busa and r1.

The top speed is 140km/hr with rider weighing 60 kgs.
praJEEP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 12:19   #461
BHPian
 
ravi@64bhp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 602
Thanked: 8 Times
Default

Fully aAgree with mail4ajo. It is just cheating the prospective buyers. A big big let down. Power to weight ratio is same as P220. We have to see how it handles with 120 kg weight on highways, and more over we have to how fast it reaches 0-100 kmph figures.
ravi@64bhp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 12:20   #462
Senior - BHPian
 
BUSA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bombay
Posts: 5,130
Thanked: 10 Times
Default

Guys, while i agree the pricing is on the higher side and bhp is on the lower side, you can console yourself by saying "For Rs. 13000 more then the 220, you get lots of peace of mind"
BUSA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 12:47   #463
Senior - BHPian
 
Fountainheader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 1,502
Thanked: 8 Times
Default

Its a Yamaha - Well so have been the Libero, Gladiator, Crux and hazaar such bikes. The days of the RX100 are well over, and I dont think anyone's really looking forward to a bike, because its a Yamaha. Its the Bajajs and the Hero Hondas that rule the roost!

6-speed - Well the Shaolin was launched with a "Life begins at 5th gear" tagline. It set the sales charts of fire ?

Refinement, Technology, Air cooled and such jargons
- In this case, the Indian bike manufacturers are definitely doing their part. The later Pulsars are much more refined, handle better. These are just examples.

When India was crying for a "atleast-should-look-like-a-superbike", Hero Honda and Bajaj launched the CBZ and Pulsar respectively. And apart from just the looks, the bikes had performance (read BHP) gave atleast some VFM mileage (Though not the 109 kmpl XCD type). And those were the reasons why they were a hit. Even the Apache/RTR can be considered a huge success.

So what has Yamaha done now ?


Promised a baby-R1, which looks great. And it ends there.

No matter how much they go ga-ga over their technology, I dont think people are going to buy that aspect. If Yamaha is to be believed, the same technology goes into the Gladiator too right ?

At the end of the day, the only figures that an Indian buyer looks at for a bike are - BHP and KMPL. I dont think Yamaha will be able to deliver either of them.

I know I might be jumping the gun, and should have restricted my comments till I take a test ride and all. But what has Yamaha done ? Opened bookings without even disclosing the Specs nor the price. You can very well guess who were the ones who booked the bike
Fountainheader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 13:21   #464
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: pune
Posts: 1,243
Thanked: 519 Times
Default

Has anyone got final ex-showroom/OTR prices? Yamaha India website shows 'Now on Sale, Go to the store'.
sukiwa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th June 2008, 13:28   #465
Senior - BHPian
 
Fountainheader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 1,502
Thanked: 8 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sukiwa View Post
Has anyone got final ex-showroom/OTR prices? Yamaha India website shows 'Now on Sale, Go to the store'.
I think its 97500 ex-showroom in Delhi. Not sure about other places.
Fountainheader is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Replacing Tyres 195/60 R15 With 215/75 R15 in Ford Fusion singhisking Modifications & Accessories 14 11th January 2016 22:23
Yamaha YZF-R15 S launched at Rs. 1.15 lakh Aditya Motorbikes 33 19th December 2015 16:20
Yamaha Fazer to get fuel injection EDIT: Now launched at Rs. 83,850 Aditya Motorbikes 4 18th September 2014 10:23
Spy Pics: Yamaha R15 REFRESH EDIT: Version 2.0 launched CrAzY dRiVeR Motorbikes 206 21st March 2014 18:36
A new fish in the sea> get ready to get bored by dis long intro :p gamerno1 Introduce yourself 73 5th March 2005 21:50


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 18:16.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks