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Old 21st March 2012, 11:29   #46
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Quick Comparison with what I feel it is truly pitched against.

Bike | Yamaha R15 | Honda CBR 150R
Torque | 15Nm@7500rpm | 12.66 Nm@8500 rpm
Power | 17.67 bhp | 17.58 bhp
Displacement | 149.8 cc | 149.4 cc
Kerb Weight | 136 kg | 138 kg
Tank Capacity | 12 Ltr | 13 Ltr
Dimensions | 1970X670X1070 | 2000X825X1120
Wheel Base | 1345 | 1305
Ground Clearance | 160 | 190
Battery | 12v 3.5A | 12v 6A
Head Light | Lo beam12V/35W X1, Hi beam12V/35W X2 | 12v 60/55 H4
Onroad Price@Bangalore (Approx) | 1,30,000 INR | 1,40,000 INR

The only significant edge for majority of the buyers in this section that I see in this bike over the R15 is the ergonomics which sticks to the sports tourer category swaying away from the aggressive seating position of the R15.
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Old 21st March 2012, 14:08   #47
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Chipping in late with my comments -

With no offense to any 150 owners or perspective buyers here -

140K for a puny 150 with 12.66 Nm of torque, compare this with 500 CC, 41.3 Nm of torque on the RE Classic @ 160K.

This CBR 150 to me does not seem to me a VFM buy by any stretch of imagination, it is highly overpriced and Honda is trying to sell it's brand to the masses here in India.

On a comparative note, I would compare the Boxer 150 to the CBR 150, the former is priced @ 42,XXX (Ex-Showroom) with 12.66 Nm of torque, I admit that the Boxer is a NO SHOW bike, but then plonking 1,00,000 for just the show and NO GO makes absolutely no sense to me.

The above mentioned comments are my thoughts and are meant to be an eye opener for the perspective buyers to think twice before going ahead with the purchase and are by no means meant to be a deterrent for them if they have made up their mind.

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Correction to my previous post,

Bike | Yamaha R15 | Honda CBR 150R
Power | 16.8 bhp | 17.58 bhp

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On a comparative note, I would compare the Boxer 150 to the CBR 150, the former is priced @ 42,XXX (Ex-Showroom) with 12.66 Nm of torque, I admit that the Boxer is a NO SHOW bike, but then plonking 1,00,000 for just the show and NO GO makes absolutely no sense to me.
Yamaha R125 if I am not wrong has 12.24 Nm of Torque@8500 RPM. What do you say about it ?

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Yamaha R125 if I am not wrong has 12.24 Nm of Torque@8500 RPM. What do you say about it ?
Abhishek -

It's not about, 12.XX Nm of torque, it's about what you get for the money that you plonk in.

The R15 offers styling, the R1 looks, expectional handling thanks to the delta box chassis, so it is different from the normal 150 CC bikes.

The CBR 150 only has the CBR branding and nothing more to it.

On the RE 500, 4.21 Kgm torque is HUGE, I remember my 800 had some 6.X kgm torque for a 650-700 Kg vehicle, so you can well imagine the pull from the bull looking at the weight to torque ratios.

More on the RE, it offers 2/3 of torque when compared to the HD Super Low (69 Nm) at less than 1/4 th of the price, steal isn't it ?
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While I agree to the general feeling that it is overpriced but this is a track machine like the R15 and so it is priced is a reasonable band though on higher end owing to it's premier brand image. If it's handling is same as R15 if not rgeater then I wouldn't mind plonking an extra 10k for this machine. This bike give a feeling for better ergonomics and better quality materials.

It's actually a teaser I think, they are trying to say - why not pay another 40k and get a 250 instead.
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If it's handling is same as R15 if not rgeater then I wouldn't mind plonking an extra 10k for this machine. This bike give a feeling for better ergonomics and better quality materials..
Better quality compared to what? R15?

When it comes to build quality and finish, R15 certainly feels 2 notches above CBR250R. So, unless there is clear quality delta between CBR250R and CBR150R, I certainly wouldn't buy 150R over R15 for quality reason.
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The CBR 150 only has the CBR branding and nothing more to it.
Have you ridden it already? How can you be so sure about it?

The 150R, at least from the promo with Stoner astride, looks more track focused than its big brother, the 250R.

If the Indian-spec bike can hit 165kmph like seen below, then who cares about its puny torque or engine displacement!

And, I don't think Honda is commanding a premium on the 150R just because of its Honda badge. The 150R is DOHC setup and has an O2 sensor too-both of which are missing in the R15. Plus, it will rev like a maddy which would be sweeet to any rider's ears!

Honestly, if it could go beyond 160kmph, handle like an R15, be reliable as any other Honda, I see it as a great VFM bike for us enthusiasts!


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@RX-135 - The quality might feel two notches above, but there is really nothing to pick between the two. After spending 2+ years with the R15 and close to 6 months on the CBR I can vouch for this.

One of the very first CBR's bought at my place had a crash @ ~80kmph and save for chipped body paint, there is no crack, either on fairing nor has the handlebar got bent. Surprising for me as well, a pleasant one at that

I believe you simply can't look and say, this exudes quality, this doesn't. There is no parameter to judge from a naked eye. I too was of the same thought after sampling the V2 when compared with the CBR, but you can literally thrash the CBR and nothing will happen. The same is applicable to R15 as well. Its even in my books.

EDIT ; What confuses me is the wheelbase mentioned from abhiseksircar's post. The difference is a lot.

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It might go fast though in the video it struggles after 145, but I am suspecting it might actually be pitted against the KTM200 here.
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Have you ridden it already? How can you be so sure about it?
No I haven't, have you driven all the cars/bikes that you comment about here on TBHP? There are certain things which you gather from your experience, I would guess.

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The 150R, at least from the promo with Stoner astride, looks more track focused than its big brother, the 250R.
How often do you drive on the so called tracks, or have driven? If Casey Stoner was making you pitch in for the bike, then you may safely assume, Rossi is behind me.

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And if the bike Indian-spec bike can hit 165kmph like seen here-then who cares about it puny torque or engine displacement.
Don't, buy it and try getting it to 165, 250 won't do a 165, let alone 150.

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And, I don't think Honda is commanding a premium on the 150R just because of its Honda name. The 150R is DOHC setup and has an O2 sensor too-both of which are missing in the R15. Plus, it will rev like a maddy which would be sweeet to any rider's ears!
Go ahead and buy it mate, FYI, 90% of Indian Cars are doing duties on SOHC, in case of bikes that would be close to 98%

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Honestly, if it could go beyond 160kmph, handle like an R15, be reliable as any other Honda, I see it as a great VFM bike for us enthusiasts!
Do post an ownership review !
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i do not have words for that video. My ninja struggles to hit 165 and CBR 250 doesn't even do a 165 true speed. Putting top speed aside, i just see the CBR 150 as an alternative to the CBR 250 ( for those who cant shell out the extra cash) and the Yamaha R15 ( for those who find the riding position too aggressive). Im sure the performance will be pretty much on par with the Yamaha, however the KTM will cream them both.
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No I haven't, have you driven all the cars/bikes that you comment about here on TBHP? There are certain things which you gather from your experience, I would guess.
There's a difference between experience and false belief. Period.


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How often do you drive on the so called tracks, or have driven? If Casey Stoner was making you pitch in for the bike, then you may safely assume, Rossi is behind me.
I haven't ridden around tracks as yet, but I do ride around some twisties occasionally, and that's where something called Handling of the bike comes handy!


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Don't, buy it and try getting it to 165, 250 won't do a 165, let alone 150.
Again, how can you be so sure? Does engineering/road-conditions/air-drag everywhere depend on your experience?

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Go ahead and buy it mate, FYI, 90% of Indian Cars are doing duties on SOHC, in case of bikes that would be close to 98%
Yes, 90% of the cars are also running without ABS. In case of bikes, it'd be close to 99.5%. So, can we rubbish the advantages of ABS based on that?

Also, if someone in the 90s would have thought like this, we would have been stuck with carburetors for the rest of our life. Almost 95% of the bikes are still running on carbs, then why do we complain about the new Pulsar not being Fi? Carburetors work efficiently, don't they?


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I will, definitely. Let me buy one first.


@balenopower Agreed that the CBR is no match for KTM in terms of outright performance or acceleration. But I am sure it'd be no slouch either. Lets wait for some ride-reports by the experts.
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Have you ridden it already? How can you be so sure about it?

The 150R, at least from the promo with Stoner astride, looks more track focused than its big brother, the 250R.

If the Indian-spec bike can hit 165kmph like seen below, then who cares about its puny torque or engine displacement!

And, I don't think Honda is commanding a premium on the 150R just because of its Honda badge. The 150R is DOHC setup and has an O2 sensor too-both of which are missing in the R15. Plus, it will rev like a maddy which would be sweeet to any rider's ears!

Honestly, if it could go beyond 160kmph, handle like an R15, be reliable as any other Honda, I see it as a great VFM bike for us enthusiasts!

The bike would indeed be a revver's delight, the limiter cuts in at 12K RPM. It does 150 in 5th gear itself which is what R15 does in 6th gear(if you somehow manage to hit the limiter). The comments in video state that there was very less wind, so in real(windy) conditions it should be almost as fast and probably a bit faster than R15. The only negative point which I can see along with the pricing as of now is the torque which is lower than R15.

I will be taking a test ride of the CBR150 this weekend and posting my first impressions here.
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I believe you simply can't look and say, this exudes quality, this doesn't. There is no parameter to judge from a naked eye. I too was of the same thought after sampling the V2 when compared with the CBR, but you can literally thrash the CBR and nothing will happen. The same is applicable to R15 as well. Its even in my books.
Point taken about actual quality, and you know better since you have owned both, but there are simply no two ways about which one looks and feels premium product of the 2.

I went with chequebook to book CBR250R, only to return underwhelmed with overall finish of the product (not to mention uninspiring test ride).
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RX 135,Even i had tha same expierience with CBR 250,I was going with lot of expectation and was stuned to see the pathetic quality.When enquired i got word that it was a thailand import. When i saw the R15 i did not leave a second thought and went for it.More than anything looks does matter ,atleast for me.

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