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Old 10th January 2009, 17:35   #16
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Didn't get that... "higher rating than 20W40"?? What does that mean? How can a SAE viscosity rating... not API rating that can be higher or lower?

The oils recommended by Suzuki are not exactly car oils. At least Castrol CRB and Deusol are/were not! CRB is recommened for diesel trucks, tractors etc. I guess it was the same with Deusol...

Its good that in 8 years you haven't had any apparent problems... but technically its not right to use a car engine oil for transmission boxes - it will get sheared real fast! Perhaps since Mobil 1 is synthetic, this hasn't happened... or whatever has happened isn't apparent yet.

Whats more, Mobil 1 is pricy, and not even a technically correct product to use, so I really don't see sense in using it in gear boxes. If they make a sanely priced synth for gearboxes, I'd be tempted to use it.

May I ask how many km you've covered in these 8 years on your Shogun?
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You guys are real awesome!
Thanks for all of your replies, advices, suggestions and comments.

As far as the conclusion here, I will not be going in for a K&N Filter, rather first try out VM 26 on this warrior.

Hey Guys! I'd be really glad to hear from anyone among you or anyone you know who is willing to find a prospective owner for their Shogun. I miss that bike ever since, I saw the first commercial on TV.
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Why change the bearings btw??
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Change all wheel bearings if required,
Mostly neglected and get worn out pretty quickly on our bad roads.
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Old 10th January 2009, 23:55   #19
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^^^Ok. But would that affect performance much? I mean if there is not visible/audible indicator that its worn out? I asked the TVS supervisor about wheel bearings and swingarm bearings... he said, its all sealed and you cannot/should not do anything (greasing). Any comments please?
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You guys are advising a dude who dosent know much about filters to change his carb??

He will be taken for a royal ride by the guy who changes it, then by the guy who sells him one and then my the guy who he will run to everytime to tune it.

@benvsben: Get the bike serviced. Change all wheel bearings if required, check if the exhaust needs a cleanup, probably change the airfilter with a newer element and if required check compression. All this will be done by the nearest TVS Service Center.
There you go. Read the whole post. Basically its telling him, get your bike serviced properly.

Now for the one line you picked up:Change all wheel bearings if required

In the above line keyword is "if required", not neccassary. Got it now?

Coming to bust bearings affecting performance, well you tell me?

I didnt get on what you are asking my comments exactly. But since this line - "its all sealed and you cannot/should not do anything (greasing)" precedes your question. I will answer that, let me know if its to the contrary.

Going back to my quoted post above you will notice i mentioned "Change" and "if required" in the same sentence pertaining to my suggestion on wheel bearings (note not swingarm bearing). I dont mention anywhere to do any "greasing". As i am aware that we now get sealed wheel bearings.

Also i in my above quoted post dont even mention the word performance.

So there..phew!!
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I got that dude! What I wanted to know is if the Shogun do actually have sealed bearings!! I guess the wheel bearings would be sealed... but not sure about the swingarm... whats what I wanted to know.
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^^^Different oils in the oil tank and fuel tank?? I wouldn't do that... better use the same 2t in both!

Why didn't Jet X "work" for the KB?? Super TT is/was (is it still available?) anyway supposed to be a lower grade oil... and it smokes more! Probably leaves more deposits too.

Btw, I'm considering the Shogun here... but this is valid for the Samurai too, I guess...
Don't know - somehow the KBs (both the 100 and the 125) never felt the same with Jett-x. Super TT smoked more but the bike(s) felt a lot smoother in power delivery.

No problem with using different oils in the fuel & oil tank.

Super TT is still available, at least at Castrol Bike Zones. Haven't tried at regular oil shops because my running is down to about 20 km a week on average.

Super TT worked fine for the Suzuki MAX100.
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The smoothness is PROBABLY because Super TT is possibly a thicker oil. At least thats what a mechanic told me, long ago. Not sure if its true... and I dunno if the specifications allow it to be thicker. I'm saying that because I vaguely remember that 2t oils are SAE 30.
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Didn't get that... "higher rating than 20W40"?? What does that mean? How can a SAE viscosity rating... not API rating that can be higher or lower?

The oils recommended by Suzuki are not exactly car oils. At least Castrol CRB and Deusol are/were not! CRB is recommened for diesel trucks, tractors etc. I guess it was the same with Deusol...

Its good that in 8 years you haven't had any apparent problems... but technically its not right to use a car engine oil for transmission boxes - it will get sheared real fast! Perhaps since Mobil 1 is synthetic, this hasn't happened... or whatever has happened isn't apparent yet.

Whats more, Mobil 1 is pricy, and not even a technically correct product to use, so I really don't see sense in using it in gear boxes. If they make a sanely priced synth for gearboxes, I'd be tempted to use it.

May I ask how many km you've covered in these 8 years on your Shogun?
mobil1 is recommended for diesel engines too. the temperature range is bigger. Will I used it cause the bike was tunned for higher power and I use to travel a lot on highway have done trips from goa to pune, belgaum to Bangalore also Cochin ,etc. So the TVS guys recomended it, the shel 2T was my choice.
in 8 years I covered 75000 KM, last 10 months the bike was in storage than it started rusting due to the climate here in goa, had to sell it with heavy heart.
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75,000 km.... wow, thats amazing dude! Did you do this on the original piston, cylinder, etc? Or did you have to change any other significant part?
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Engine had bigger pistons at around 30,000km, block was board out, clutch was changes at45,000km and that's about it [everything else on the bike was stock]. the piston change was for power increase and not due to nay problem.Toward the end at around 65000 km the gear level had worn out and that's it , nothing wrong with the shift or any mech problem but just the grooves on the level had worn.
If the bike is serviced properly than this is one of the most reliable bike [2 strokes] as what is usually said by people and mechanics.
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I got that dude! What I wanted to know is if the Shogun do actually have sealed bearings!! I guess the wheel bearings would be sealed... but not sure about the swingarm... whats what I wanted to know.
Wheel bearings - yes.

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Engine had bigger pistons at around 30,000km, block was board out, clutch was changes at45,000km and that's about it [everything else on the bike was stock]. the piston change was for power increase and not due to nay problem.Toward the end at around 65000 km the gear level had worn out and that's it , nothing wrong with the shift or any mech problem but just the grooves on the level had worn.
If the bike is serviced properly than this is one of the most reliable bike [2 strokes] as what is usually said by people and mechanics.
Where did you get the rebore and piston changed in Goa? and the crank?

After i got it rebored it was never the same Eventually sold it. Did ride it to Pune, Manipal and Mangalore once each. Bike was good, sold it and got a CBZ in 01
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The engine was done in belgaum, with help from TVS engineers [factory engineers and not the A.S.S] who where from around the place. The machining work was done there in Belgaum itself, the piston and jets were from TVS race department. They where friends of friends, you know how it is in collage.The crank was stock.Goa no one can do good work buddy, pulse they overcharge for everything.After the work the bike turned into a devil as it use to do a rolling wheely [not the attempted one with clutch] in second gear also,loved it.

What problems did you face?

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What problems did you face?
Well it was no longer a Shogun anymore. The rebore killed all the fun. It never was done right.

And like you i never had the luxury of working with the guys from TVS. Neither did i know then what rebore or anything like that means.

About the automotive scene in Goa, the less we talk about it the better.

From the famous RD tuner from Margao to the super specialist bullet mech in North Goa, all are major con artists. I can do a better job then them. Honest.
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Engine had bigger pistons at around 30,000km, block was board out, clutch was changes at45,000km and that's about it [everything else on the bike was stock]. the piston change was for power increase and not due to nay problem.Toward the end at around 65000 km the gear level had worn out and that's it , nothing wrong with the shift or any mech problem but just the grooves on the level had worn.
If the bike is serviced properly than this is one of the most reliable bike [2 strokes] as what is usually said by people and mechanics.
You mean the gear teeth had worn off? At 65k km, isn't that too early? I dare say that might have happened because you used a car engine oil (Mobil 1)??

As for reliablity, I have to say the bike has never left me stranded anywhere... except when once the fuel hose developed cracks and started a petrol stream on the engine. Mercifully, there as no fire. And 2nd time, the fuel filter suddenly started leaking from its plastic joint, and started leaking fuel. Plastic/rubber, etc., parts quality on this bike is less than par. Other than that, I'v never found the bike very stable to ride... possibly because of its design... and also less than perfect alignment (possibly the wheels).

And yes, I'v barely done 20,000 km on it in all these years... nowhere close to you!

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