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Old 7th April 2009, 22:59   #46
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Congrats Sam On Owning the Bull. Very Nice Pics too. Give her a good run in & Enjoy her for a long time to come.

@bblost - At Ridermania there was a white RE 535 with an altered enticer tank, did u see that?

Cheers!!!!
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Old 17th April 2009, 19:51   #47
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27/03/09 - Purachase Date

13/04/09 - 500Kms - FIRST FREE SERVICE

So I have crossed my first milestone, safe and clean, maintaining all the requisites for a proper "run-in" as all members pointed out.

Charges:- Oil Change 700rs.
Short Silencer New:- 750rs (incl fitting).

PROBLEMS FACED TILL NOW:-
1) From Day 2, I was facing fuel leak (from Carb) with fuel knob in ON position during parking. While driving no leak was found. Which I suppose is rectified now by first service. Havent checked after that. Took it twice to A.S.S for the same issue.

2) BATTERY DRAINED OUT:-
Next day after my first service (14/04/09), the battery got drained out in just 10-15 mins night traffic driving. I wonder why! Horn wouldnt work even after switching off the lights.

In stop traffic,while idling, with headlights or even just the pilot lamp (and parks) ON, the amp meter is showing minus. IS THIS NORMAL on a STD Bullet? Was is probably the reason for the battery to get drained out? A.S.S guy said battery was weak and he charged it and gave me today. Iam pretty much sure that wont work out. Need to check in the coming nights.

I really want help in this regard from proff bulleteers:-
Condition---> Engine Idling - Parking light ON, Brake light ON, HL OFF --> SHOULD THE amp meter go into minus or should it atleast stay at ZERO?

Should I go fight for a faulty alternator?
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Sam_Sant,

When you are idling, with the headlights on, the ammeter will show negative, maybe quarter in the negative segment. With the pilots and the brake light on, a slight deflection to the negative side is very normal, happens with my LB500 too. When you ride/rev, the alternator is charging the battery, so it shows a positive reading. Nothing to get worried about.

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Old 17th April 2009, 21:34   #49
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Sam_Sant,

When you are idling, with the headlights on, the ammeter will show negative, maybe quarter in the negative segment. With the pilots and the brake light on, a slight deflection to the negative side is very normal, happens with my LB500 too. When you ride/rev, the alternator is charging the battery, so it shows a positive reading. Nothing to get worried about.

Cheers,
Jay

Thanks for the Quick reply Jay.
Now I wonder what the problem might be!
See the funny part is that my former Bajaj Pulsar 150 DTSi 5 yrs ago on my first service gave a similar battery problem! That time around I found that my battery was replaced by some unscruplous elements in BAJAJ A.S.S, Adoor, Kerala. Later on my comlaint to Regional Head Bajaj they replaced the battery with a new one (with lots of apologies) and I got that done at Cochin.
So obviously next thing I would doubt is if somebody actually changed my new Bullet battery in first service!!! See I have been driving the new bull for the same distance (17 kms to and fro to office ON NH47), same route same time around (7pm return from office) and everything was ok till first service (i.e for a full 2 weeks). Now the very next day after service I find battery drained in an evening drive with HL ON. Sounds absurd!

Anyways I had a look at my Exide Battery just now-> it reads 7B9 with some code written as 314293.

Does someone know about these codes? Do they really belong to a bullet delivered on March 27th, 2009? Does that 7B9 mean 2009 ?
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Old 12th May 2009, 14:38   #50
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New Royal Enfield Std Bullet 1000kms - UPDATE

I had my first service at 550kms. Oil change and Silencer changed to short. Total cost of service was Rs.1499/- (750 for silencer).

And then my nightmare started. From Day 2 after service bike started showing starting trouble. Had to kick around 15 times before it came alive every morning.Had problems in starting even when engine was hot.

Took it thrice to RE Service center at Edappally, Cochin. They "tuned" and did everything possible, probs continued. I started to pity my decision to sell my pulsar and buy the king.

Then to my luck, as a LAST RESORT before dumping the new Bullet for a R15 (which I had 90% finalised), I took my Bullet to a BULLET SPECIALIST near my house and rest is history. He said the timing, tuning, plug gap everything was set wrongly. I wonder if RE has employed idiots in their service center.

Bike now doesnt even need a full crank to start. It JUST ROCKS! WOW!
And my previous posts I had mentioned about battery getting drained out, again it was found out by this person. It was bcoz the brake light was jammed!

I would have really gone and booked R15. That guy saved my BULL.

Anyone in Cochin contact this guy for repairs/modifications.
Joy-04842304059
He has a 1955 Bullet (Used by MGR), 1958, 1964 and 3-4 other bulls of his own all in top condition!

And the BEST part -> my mileage after this guys precise tuning has jumped from 24 to 38 !!!

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Sam
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Congrats on your new purchase AND on your first 1000kms update AND on the recovery of your bike.

Just stumbled upon this thread. Surprised to find such comments.

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Even the 1lakh plus TBTS is no match for its classing thumping.
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Talking of other bikes. all are just 'buzzing' bikes.fast and furious. those are for the kids to play around, not for men!
How much "thump" does your bike offer compared to an Electra or even a TBTS?!
How loud is your bike compared to even a Pulsar?!

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Electra (although engine is CI) has a 5 speed gear(with false neutrals)
False neutrals are more prominent on 4s gearboxes.

When buying a brand new Royal Enfield, you won't find the difference in "thump" from any model. Every model will sound the same, silent as ever.

What is the difference in prices between the Electra and Standard 350?! Because see what you get extra with Electra:
  • Disc brake
  • Metallic paint
  • Chrome mirrors compared to the plastic ones
  • Chrome mudguards
  • 5-speed gearbox
  • CDI
  • Electric Start
  • Gas filled shock absorbers
  • Don't know about the clutch plates. Does new Electra come with 5 clutch plates?!

The things you "dont" get are:
  • Right side shift

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Not a single friend of mine questioned my decision. Everyone just said 'wow'.
Hmmm.

All Royal Enfield bikes are good. Each one has its pros and cons. The lower models have compromises on parts. The higher models have exquisite parts like good chrome and other details. The only thing the higher models lack out are in the traditional right shift. About thump, they all lack it.

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Old 12th May 2009, 21:48   #52
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Hi Gordon,

I wonder if my definition of thumping is different from yours! All bullet enthusiasts know what thumpinng is.
according to me It is the precise 'beat' which we hear in slow speeds i.e around 20kmph or lower WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE IN ANY BIKE IN INDIA OTHER THAN THE STD BULLET fyi. TBTS or Electra or whatever doesnt have the crank weight to give it the slow speed thumping.

Guy, std bullet is all about driving in top gear for most of the times, not like an electra. Its not about the gearbx, its about the crank weight and engine.

And who told my new std bullet doesnt thump? have u seen one off late? the currenttly produced std bullet are exact replicas of bullets of 70's. Std is the only bike in fact.

Hope others agree. The thumping to be made perfect we need to change the silencer AND bend pipe, that is there! otherwise it just gives a whistling noise. so with stock silencer i agree new std bullet and tbts electra etc all sound the same. but even if u change those pipes u cant get the PURE PRECISE BEATS from TBTS or Electra in SLOW SPEED.
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Old 12th May 2009, 22:14   #53
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Hi Sam,

I don't think there's a necessity to change the bend pipe, only the silencer would do the job. Try to get an Indore made or get a silencer of an old bullet from 70s - 80s. They give excellent thump, and I bet that's what you might be looking for!
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local bullet experts got the passion to work with Bullet.which I doubt with A.S.C.
bullet electra 4S also was a model which existed till a year back .the change is it got cdi ignition.
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So its true, your bike sounds as good as a Electra or TBTS at the moment.

Moreover, Bullet wasn't originally made so that it could go at 20kmph in top gear. If that was the case, they wouldn't call it Bullet in the first place. These British bikes were made to compete amongst each other. The Nortons, Enfields, BSAs etc. They were built for speed. The thumping noise was an obvious by-product because of a large long stroke single cylinder engine. Indian military bought this bike because it was capable of high torque and sustaining a large load at low speeds and higher gear.

Since then, its history has been badly spoilt. People today buy Enfields claiming its onlyyyy for the thump, claiming its the best cruiser, its built for a completely smooth long ride, claiming its supposed to have huge bucket seats and laid back handlebars. I'm sorry, but I do not believe this.

They didn't build the Bullet for this reason. Orignial intent of Royal Enfield was to build bikes to satisy two major categories:

- speed (in those days)
- best average (one of the best and always claiming 100miles per gallon)

"Thump" is a good excuse these days to buy a cheap brand new bike that compromises on a lot of parts. If the STD 350 had almost all the parts that are currently on the Electra or even the Machismo, THEN its a "best buy" and THEN no one would question your decision. Otherwise its just another good buy, but definitely not the BEST.

I love the Standard 350, but can never deny the fact that its overpriced, overhyped, has parts that it doesn't in anyway deserve. And likewise I detest those owners who stick to the age old excuse of "thump" to compromise on these parts to show that their bikes are better than the other Enfields.

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this going to be a Pandora's box.today ,the most hunts for so called "original england" RE bullets and all.but @gordon dude ,the crowd mentality is now like this only.

I ,for One can Vouch for this."whatever whatever however... Std Only.Electra 5S -No resale value" are the most common comments.most Bullets brought a new are Std's here in kerala.
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Thats the problem. People think like that and the whole RE rep has changed. Its completely destroyed, and now new "stupid" logic and excuses have made way for a simple question - "what is a true bullet?". If one looks only from a common sense view at the name, the answer is "speed"! Thump is important, but everything does not revolve around it. Else Nortons would still be where Enfield is.

I hear so many people complaining to launch better engines, better bikes from Enfield compared to Nortons etc. They complain that Enfield will always build the sameeeee nearly 60yr old engine and bike. And when they do launch a new product, they are smacked in the face for lack of "thump". They dont see relaibility, efficiency, better parts, etc. They are just misled by "thump". Sad.

"whatever whatever however... Std Only.Electra 5S -No resale value"
If you buy a Royal Enfield out of sheer love for it, why would you look to sell it?!

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Hi Sam_santh, firstly congrats on your buy.
First things first, there was a time when even I used to consider bullet as GOD, but there is more to it, there are BETTER and MUCH BETTER bikes than RE's. Secondly, Gordon there is right that a bullet wasnt built for you to ride it at 20km/hr in the 4th gear, however I have experienced the feeling and it feels good. But that is not justified, cause the engine is strained while doing so. Also RE Standard is not that WOW as you are saying, try taking it in knee deep water and see it for yourself, it will die off immediately, where as the electra or the machismo or the TB would survive that! There are many other flaws the RE STD has, but its not a bad choice, it the cheapest Royal Enfield of all the models ! I am not against the STD, I have overhauled two STDs till now and have just completed the 2nd one as a Cafe Racer Project. All I wanted to say is RE STD is good but not the best ! Cheers.
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Congrats Sam for an excellent buy (I know its too late, but better late than never).

Its an excellent machine provided you know how to tame it. I owe one since 1994 (make 1981). Abused it for nearly 4 lac km. Believe me it has given me some most memorable rides of life. Though not in (much) use since past 3-4 yrs. Your classic 350 thread inspired me to move it in garage for some overhaul (new piston/cylinder kit, wiring harness etc.). Hope to get my stallion back in couple of days.

@Gordon: RE Classics 350 was never made to race or compete, I guess here you are talking about RE Interceptors 750 cc (Series I and II). They were 55 BHP machines capable of doing 190kmph. 350 classic might not be the best buy (considering regular maintenance and higher purchase price) yet it is a league apart and yes I do agree If you buy a Royal Enfield out of sheer love for it, why would you look to sell it ?
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I don't think there's a necessity to change the bend pipe, only the silencer would do the job. Try to get an Indore made or get a silencer of an old bullet from 70s - 80s. They give excellent thump, and I bet that's what you might be looking for!

Changing the bend pipe is a MUST to get the near original sound of the RE Bullet of yester years. Iam saying this bcoz I have changed just the silencer alone and got the 'sound' but not the perfect beat. it has a "whistling" noise with it.
My bullet specialist infact showed me a new bullet whose bend pipe and silencer both were changed and trust me IT SOUNDS PERFECT. I spend 750 for silencer. He said for changing the bend pipe and silencer (avg quality) would be just around 1200rs.
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