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Old 24th June 2005, 00:21   #76
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yo dude wassup??
if i was u id definatley go in for a rx100
i had a rx fitted with an expansion chamber
used to gimme a beautiful average of 35+
no doubt had a more than a few engine mods done on it
the bike has given me top speeds of 125-130
ive beatin a (1st gen) pulsar head on in drag
no doubt if u keen on keepin the bike for a long tym
then id suggest u fit a fifth gear...
raise the rear frame bit so that with sum1 heavy behind
the tyre doesnt touch the mud guard
hmmm...
watls?
i like u hav a zen back home
thats the 1st thing i saved up for
my bro has a cbz an trus me wen it comes to pick the rx used to
murder the cbz
about long distance riding
i hav only taken my bike as far as lonavla and back with no problems
wat so ever
basically the descision is up to u
i can recomend 2 mechs to tune the bikes settings an engine timing as well
no matter wat bike u decide to buy shogun or rx100
oh yea an also change the back tyre to a slight thicker one offering better grip
as for turnin lights put the cbz ones..
portin the engine shud giv u about another 10 to 15 kms of speed
so iv given u options lemme kno if they good enuf for u
illl be bak in mumbai for the weekend soon
jus for a flight check an backk
so gimme a holla
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hey psycholyn... thx for the options there...will definately like to tune the bike a bit...maybe port it...p.m me with details bout the aftermarket tuners u know...thx man...
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I have always been close to motorcycling.

I used to race my wrist since birth

the best bike available in India is the Yamaha RD350 .Period.

The close second is the Bmw funduro 650 (most powerful bike in India)which is hard to find but still available.

The third spot is shared by 3: Enfield, rajdoot and Yezdi and they still rock.

The fourth spot is shared by Pulsar 180 and karizma with kinetic gf165 sport(not much in demand but still a good bike)

the fifth spot is again shared by 3 bikes
the yamaha rx-z(or whichever rx you want) Shogun and the bajaj enduro(shortlived)

All the other bikes not listed are loosers.
the notion that 2-strokes are more powerful than 4-strokes is just a myth.

Four strokes can perform better on rideability of the engine while 2-stroke is a torquey motor.

To buy the best bike available today it has to be the pulsar 180. While it is not a king of any sort, it is a jack of all trades.

With Fe of 45
Power better than any bike but RD350 and Bmw
Best ride and handling after Bmw
easy maintainence
easy availability of spares
Average comfort(doesnt score much here.)
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4 Zundapp models were bought by Enfield when Zundapp folded. They bought the rights to sell, tooling, blah blah blah...
yesss .. still vaguely remember a newspaper ad with all 4 bikes .. just around the time they were launching the silver plus .. i waited and waited for the 250 .. it never came ..

those enfields (zundapps) were pretty nippy bikes .. they made you feel you were capable of real high speeds ..
a friend of mine once got overambitious and tried a Mick Doohan cornering .. knees touching , rear wheel sliding etc on a Sliver Plus !! no wonder, he landed up in a nearby bush !
my roomie in college had a modded Explorer .. only cosmetic .. raised and short stubby mudguards etc .. he's a designer himself and had done all the mods under his supervision .. I loved that bike ..
it was real fun in city roads .. lovely smooth pickup ..

Never rode the Fury though

And yes devarshi84, the RD is the all time king ..

How is the Kinetic Comet ? Anybody rode it ? it's 250cc and all that jazz ..
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@steer, talking of Silver plus, it was the first geared bike(moped) I have driven. If there is any contest for worst gear shifting, it beats competition hands down. Yes, it beats even the bajaj scooters. It had only 2 (or 3?) gears.

In those days, its mag wheels were the most looking thing on road. Have driven explorer as well, what a crap Both these rare vehicles were owned by our neighbours.

@v12, isn't that the same RX125, which had a "star" sign as background for RX125 letters ? It looked ugly.
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@steer, talking of Silver plus, it was the first geared bike(moped) I have driven. If there is any contest for worst gear shifting, it beats competition hands down. Yes, it beats even the bajaj scooters. It had only 2 (or 3?) gears.

In those days, its mag wheels were the most looking thing on road. Have driven explorer as well, what a crap Both these rare vehicles were owned by our neighbours.
For 50cc vehicles (I think there was a 60cc version but not a 70cc version), they were quite good. The Silver Plus initially came in the 2-gear version and later in the 3-gear version (all hand-operated).

The Explorer came in the foot-operated 3-gear version from the start. The Silver Plus was the 'looker' among the mopeds. It would have created the "Premuim Executive blah blah moped" category if our ad-makers of today were present then. It had a kick start, an ignition switch which you could see normally seated, had tell-tales for neutral and high-beam (in the 3-gear versions if I remember correctly).

The 'hep' mod to the Silver Plus was getting the Explorer's foot-operated shift

Gear-shifting was bad but the Silver Plus handled so much better than the other mopeds. Ultimate flickability moped award: my choice would to to the TVS Super Champ.

They were fun! We had a Silver Plus (2-gear) for 11 years (1985 - 1996) and currently have a TVS Super Champ since 1996.

I believe the Fury generated 18 bhp.

This thread has really got everybody on a nostalgia trip! Imagine starting off discussing a Shogun / RX 100 and currently discussing a Silver Plus.

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the notion that 2-strokes are more powerful than 4-strokes is just a myth.
CC for CC I think 2 strokes develop more power. Atleast on motorcycles. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Yes you are correct, for a given cc the power produced by a 2 stroke bike would be more than that by the same cc 4 stroke bike
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Yes you are correct, for a given cc the power produced by a 2 stroke bike would be more than that by the same cc 4 stroke bike
Hee Hee. If only there was a 180 cc 2st production bike in India. The Pulsar guys would have been crying. And yeah the two stroke guy too. On seeing the fuel bill. Damn!
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Will Hero Puch ( even not sure about the spelling) fall under the same category as Silver Plus. The looks of Hero puch attracted me very much . Most of the Monks studying in Madras Chirstain College have this puch with them. Few of my friends bought this from the monks after they compelted their course in MCC.
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Fury was great bike. Silent and fast like a missile.
But that thing would just fall apart very quickly. A guy near my house had it and I could see the plastic bits shaking every time he hit a bump.

There was also a cheaper Fury with spoke wheels and front drums.
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I read somewhere long ago that Puch was designed by none other than Porsche...
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No the 2-strokes are not more powerful than four strokes. In technical terms it is more toruey in nature .And in laymans terms Torque is what we consider as power. And anyways a 1000cc 2-stroke will be too weak at the pistons.

A 12bhp yamaha will be only as powerful as a 12 bhp fiero if their torque figure and cc are same but a two stroke will have a higher low range while a four stroke will have higher high range power.

Hope that helps
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No the 2-strokes are not more powerful than four strokes. In technical terms it is more toruey in nature .And in laymans terms Torque is what we consider as power. And anyways a 1000cc 2-stroke will be too weak at the pistons.

A 12bhp yamaha will be only as powerful as a 12 bhp fiero if their torque figure and cc are same but a two stroke will have a higher low range while a four stroke will have higher high range power.

Hope that helps
i'd differ with u bro... theorotically, a 2 stroke is TWICE as powerfull as a 4 stroke... leaving the "2 strokes are torquey..." part aside...in terms of POWER
the engine develops is theorotically twice as much...
this is because, in a 2 stroke motor, every alternate stroke is the POWER stroke, while in a 4 stroke motor, one 1 in FOUR strokes is a POWER stroke (intake;compression,power,exhaust)
hence, the 2 stroke motor has twice the no. of power strokes as compared to a 4 stroke engine in one complete cycle...but in practice, a 2 stroke will be bout 1.3-1.6 times more powerful than an indentical capacity 4 st motor

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No the 2-strokes are not more powerful than four strokes.
Beg to disagree. Our 150cc "executive commuter" bikes of today are yet to reach the 12 bhp mark in some cases - after SO many years of development. Two stroke developed stopped in the early 90s, else the boys today wouldnt be discussing how the 9.75 bhp executive commuter is more powerful than the 9.25 bhp one...

IMHO (and in my humble opinion only) the bikes today are made for old men. No noise, anonymous looks (they ALL look alike - wonder how they managed that!), delicate construction and 'maintained by the official dealer' and very politically correct w.r.t fuel consumption, emissions, et al...

Hell, a 1970 Java would be more fun and we've extracted more performance from the old Rajdoot (with Earl's Fork, 3-gear polski engine and all) than we could from some of the bikes that cost a fortune these days.

RX - the Silver Plus wasnt the first geared moped in the market. The first geared moped was the autogear Peuguot Sportif, which also came with a self start!!! The first manual gear moped should've been the Avanti Garelli 3G (recently resurrected and sold at the 'Kobra' from 'Monto Motors'), on which I've edged close enough to some CD100s near their 'top speed' to make them have second thoughts. With a decent hand on the accelerator it used to return in excess of 80 kmpl in real life...

Ultimate chuckability in the moped category belongs to the Hero Puch without doubt. I ran one of those around while I was a student in Bangalore in the early 90s and it could keep up with the best of the 100cc (two strokes, forget the hero hondas) in traffic light GPs upto about 50 kmph, IF (and only IF) you managed to keep both wheels on the ground while releasing the clutch...

The Puch was allegedly a Ferdinand Porsche design, and it showed - you had to rush back to the authorized service centre to tighten your chain, which was enclosed in the aluminium spaceframe rear swingarm...I learned more about Allen Key Bolts during my stint with the Puch than with any other vehicle so far...
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