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Old 4th April 2016, 05:04   #3901
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Have taken TR of Carb 500 and EFI and that's why unable to settle with Carb model despite people swearing on it.
Another thing of concern for EFI is dependency on fuel quality. FQ might be fine with your trusted bunk but how would anyone manage on log tours?
Any impurities could easily be passed-on leading to a clogg Injector and you being stranded in the middle of nowhere. Has anyone experienced that and do we have any First-Aid solutions other than towing the vehicle?
Is keeping a spare Injector a possibility, just in case you find yourself surprised?

Thanks Guys!!!
There is no need to carry a replacement fuel injector if you are riding a fuel injected Royal Enfield.

The electric fuel pump on the fuel injected Royal Enfield has a built in fuel filter to prevent harmful sized particles from getting to the fuel injector.

This fuel filter removes any particle larger than 10 microns* (ten millionths of a meter) which is much smaller than the spray orifice in the fuel injector so there is no danger of the fuel injector becoming plugged.

Of course, the filter will not remove water or other fluid contaminants that could cause the engine to misfire but those same things will prevent a engine with a carburetor from running too.

* Filter particle size given in the Royal Enfield Service Manual.
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FQ might be fine with your trusted bunk but how would anyone manage on log tours?
I rode Golden Quadrilateral on my Thunderbird 500 - which has the same efi engine - recently without any problem, whatsoever. The details start from here (Royal Enfield Thunderbird 500 : My Motorcycle Diaries). My bird consumed 202.56 litres of petrol from different states without any issues.

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There is no need to carry a replacement fuel injector if you are riding a fuel injected Royal Enfield.

The electric fuel pump on the fuel injected Royal Enfield has a built in fuel filter to prevent harmful sized particles from getting to the fuel injector.

This fuel filter removes any particle larger than 10 microns* (ten millionths of a meter) which is much smaller than the spray orifice in the fuel injector so there is no danger of the fuel injector becoming plugged.

Of course, the filter will not remove water or other fluid contaminants that could cause the engine to misfire but those same things will prevent a engine with a carburetor from running too.

* Filter particle size given in the Royal Enfield Service Manual.

Should we clean this filter on our own periodically or let the service center do it.

Thanks in advance..
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I rode Golden Quadrilateral on my Thunderbird 500 - which has the same efi engine - recently without any problem, whatsoever. The details start from here (Royal Enfield Thunderbird 500 : My Motorcycle Diaries). My bird consumed 202.56 litres of petrol from different states without any issues.

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Hello Sir!
Just went through your beautiful GQ travelogue and - what can I say? All questions put to rest!!
Inspiring and Adventurous Ride.
Surprise you took it personally to have such a long circuit covered single handedly - May be it could have been a group ride for sake of safety and companionship.
But then you seem to be a challenger!!

Simply Great and Thanks you posting your valuable experiences.
Just another Question, if you may please - During these long rides - what's are your average cruse speeds and do you think sustaining long hours at 100/120+
could impact Enfield engines in any way?

Thanks ArizonaJim.
You always seem to have qualified information at your disposal to share. Thanks Mate

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Inspiring and Adventurous Ride.
Thanks for the appreciation, Spark.
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During these long rides - what's are your average cruse speeds
80 to 100 kmph.
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do you think sustaining long hours at 100/120+ could impact Enfield engines in any way?
I felt more vibrations above 100 kmph, but that won't affect the engine, IMO.
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Should we clean this filter on our own periodically or let the service center do it.

Thanks in advance..
The fuel pump filter is not replaceable and any attempt to clean it beyond spraying off the debris from its outer surface with petrol will damage it.

This filter is not a service item and I recommend leaving it and the fuel pump alone. Do not even bother trying to wash it off.
The possibility of damaging it or the fuel pump by removing the pump from the fuel tank isn't worth the effort.

I think perhaps some of the fuel available in India may be dirtier than the fuel I buy here in Arizona, USA but I have ridden over 19200 miles (31K km) and my pump and filter which have never been removed are both doing fine.

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Hello,
My Classic 500 came back from its 9000 km service at Paragon Traders' service centre,Nagpur on Monday,04/04/16, and all is not well

While inspecting the bike the service advisor pointed out that the crank case breather had been rubbing on the chain and should be replaced along with another rubber hose which ran under the tank and had visible cracks along its surface,I agreed.Other than that it was a regular service.

Today,I noticed a rubber tube hanging loose on the left side of the bike,just behind the battery cover.While trying to figure out where it goes I went over on the right side of the bike and lo and behold,I see that the low fuel sensor has been disconnected.I connected the sensor and immediately the low fuel light starts glowing a solid amber,who knows where I could have been stranded after running out of fuel in the middle of nowhere(you see,I have this slight tendency to take 80-100km long detours on my way back from college).
Now,I was a little suspicious to say the least and decided to recheck those rubber tubes which were supposedly replaced during the service because it was dark when I had collected my bike from the service centre.The long rubber hose which ran under the tank seemed fine but surprise surprise the breather was far from fine.
The breather was connected properly to the crankcase but it wasn't connected to the intake manifold like it should have been,it had been rubbing on the chain and dangling lose near the rear wheel contaminating the engine oil with dust and debris for THREE DAYS! :Frustrate
Can someone please tell me,where does that line in the first picture go?
Second picture is of the disconnected fuel level sensor.
Third picture is of the loose crank case breather.
ps-Should I replace the fuel line in the last picture?
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BTW , the 18" tyres are suited to the Honda tuff up tubes , available for the Unicorn and those worried about punctures may get some mental comfort from this replacement.
Hi Naren, Could you please share more info on the tuff up tubes? I own a C3 and would like to know if these tubes can help and can be fitted to both front and rear tires. Also, do we get them in Honda showrooms or else where?
Thank you for your time.
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The Honda Unicorn uses 18 " rims and used to come with a Tuff-Up sealant filled tube. I have used them in 2011 and 2012. You need to inquire at your local tire dealer or at the Honda Showroom for availability and price. Also note that the newer Classic models moved to a 19 " front rim so please check your rim / tire sizes before buying this expensive tube. Another good option is to procure and fill in a tube sealant like Green Slime in your regular tube.
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Can anyone tell me whether the Royal Enfield bikes from 2014 (TB, Classics) have OBD 2 port?
What kind of diagnostic systems do bikes use if otherwise?
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No. Royal Enfield does not have OBD 2 or an interface that supports it.

The fuel injected Royal Enfields do have a built in test lead but a scanner is not plugged into it.

Instead, a wire with a male connector attached to it is available so the owner or a mechanic can attach a grounding (earth) wire to it.

Once grounded turning on the ignition switch with a key activates the ECU which in turn causes the MIL light to blink.

The MIL will blink a series of short flashes and long blinks.
There may be several error codes stored so the MIL may blink several different sets of long and short blinks.
Once the error codes have been shown, the computer will repeat the series.

The number of long and short blinks for each error code should be noted and recorded on a piece of paper.

Once that is done, disconnect the ground wire and turn the ignition off. Then check the Service Manual (or here) for an interpretation of the codes.

The following list should be helpful:

ROYAL ENFIELD ERROR CODES

0 LONG, 6 SHORT = THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR ERROR
0 LONG, 9 SHORT = MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR ERROR
1 LONG, 1 SHORT = OIL TEMPERATURE SENSOR ERROR
1 LONG, 7 SHORT = 02 SENSOR CIRCUIT ERROR (WHEN FITTED)
4 LONG, 5 SHORT = O2 SENSOR HEATER ERROR (WHEN FITTED)
1 LONG, 5 SHORT = ROLL OVER SENSOR ERROR
3 LONG, 3 SHORT = FUEL INJECTOR CIRCUIT ERROR
3 LONG, 7 SHORT = IGNITION COIL ERROR
4 LONG, 1 SHORT = FUEL PUMP ERROR
6 LONG, 6 SHORT = CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR ERROR

It should be noted that many times when people find these code errors it is the wiring electrical connector to the sensor that has become unplugged.
A fault with the actual sensor is quite rare.

In addition to these codes, some of the Royal Enfield repair shops also have a diagnostic computer that can be plugged directly into the ECU to obtain additional information but these cost far more than the average owner (or repair shop) would normally want to spend.
The high cost and limited use for these diagnostic computers, plus the built in self diagnostic MIL flashes being easily accessible on every fuel injected Royal Enfield results in few places having them.

Hopefully this has answered the question about OBD 2 tests.
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Hello Everyone,

I need some help here. I just replaced the front fork oil seals at a FNG (Since the Service Center was too busy). While riding to office today I felt jerks when the front brakes were applied. On stand still, by jumping the front (Applying front brakes and pushing hard) there is no sound or anything. Byt while riding at around 40, when I apply both brakes, the front kind of jerks (like I am rapidly releasing and pressing the brake effect).

He said that he has changed the "Vati" as front forks was making a "tok - tok" sound when it hit small mounds.

I have requested Saini Motors Margao to take a look. But since they are short of persons, am looking for all pre-preparation and knowledge to ensure I dont have to keep the bike for more than a day. The FNG guy took a whole week to do the job.

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I am facing an issue with the fuse. Mine is a 2010 model Classic 500 and has three 20A fuses. The problem is fuse is getting deformed/melted. All electrical parts are working fine even in this condition. I replaced fuse once and the same thing happened again within a month. What could be the issue and how to do I resolve this?
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Electrical connections between the terminals of things that use or conduct power must be tight and free of anything that could cause resistance such as oxidation.
If there is resistance at the connection, heat will be created as the current passes thru the joint.

If that fuse came out of the open slot in the first picture, the problem is pretty obvious.

Notice it is discolored. Discoloring is caused by oxidation and the oxides formed are resistant to the flow of electrical power. That is the source of the heat.

While there are chemicals that can remove the oxide they can be difficult to find and aren't without their dangers.
The simpler method is to lightly sand or scrape the oxides off using a very narrow steel blade or a small piece of sandpaper.

This must be done down in the slot as well as at the mouth of the connection and the last thing you would want to do while doing this is to spread the surfaces of the connector further apart than they are.

In other words, the steel blade must be thinner than the thickness of the connectors on the fuse.

If you don't feel qualified to do this task, find a good mechanic or someone who specializes in working with electrical equipment to do the job.

If the connection is making good contact with the terminals on the fuse, your heating and melting problem should go away.

PS: If the above fix is not possible, repeatedly plugging in and unplugging the fuse can scrape off the surface oxidation. Be sure to push it straight in and pull it straight out.
Again, you don't want to bend the small brass connectors in the fuse box. They must be tight with the fuses connectors to assure a low temperature flow of power.

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I am planning to get new set of tyres for my Classic 500 before the monsoons start in another month or so. I know there are lot of options in Ceat, MRF, etc but I am a little confused as to which one should I go for.

I don't really need off-road tyres, a road-based tyre set with enough grip to ride around the Western Ghats during the monsoons will do just fine.

Any pointers would be really useful !
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