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Old 27th September 2010, 12:02   #661
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got it.

So with this setup, would it not make more sense to install the cone filter inside the current air filter box, rather than try and fit the cone filter outside the box?

On the other-hand, how complicated it would be FIT, SEAL and SECURE the breather pipe on to the intake pipe?
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Old 27th September 2010, 14:23   #662
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got it.

So with this setup, would it not make more sense to install the cone filter inside the current air filter box, rather than try and fit the cone filter outside the box?

On the other-hand, how complicated it would be FIT, SEAL and SECURE the breather pipe on to the intake pipe?
I was going to say the same but for Nasir's post came before mine. I think fitting the K&N inside the air filter box would do two things. Save the air turbulence on the filter, and negate the current problem of dust being sucked into the intake manifold.

But for this to happen, the filter needs to be fitted directly on the intake pipe (going to the EFI) but inside the AF box..................!
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Old 27th September 2010, 14:31   #663
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When I opened the oil filling plug on my bike, I observed that it had traces of a white substance.

A RE mechanic says that a little amount of water might have entered the chamber and there was no cause for worry. Is he right?

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picture you can see .....
In the second picture, there is a washer which comes between the oil filler cap and the case.

This washer is not present on my UCE Electra 350. The mechanic says that there is no washer provided from the company.

However, there is a thin O-ring type washer on the plug. He says that it is enough for the sealing.

I suspect the absence of a washer for the whitening in the oil.

Can anybody clarify?
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Old 27th September 2010, 22:48   #664
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@Nasir- Fitting the K&N inside the air box is not a good idea or practical. Why?

First of all you will have to fabricate an elbow to fit the K&N into the intake hose from inside the air box, then you will have to remove the big OEM filter and then you will have to chop the mounting plate of the big filter as its hinders the K&N installment. during this process you will spoil your air box and no chance to go back to stock OEM filter setup unless you do some welding inside to fit the OEM filter mounting plate.

I have tried this last year with a K&N filter and I was totally against it so totally dropped the idea.

Secondly the blow-by gasses from the breather pipe will blow in the oil vapors which will mix with the dusty air and then get through the K&N filter, which will absorb the oil vapors and in long run and help the filter to get choked or get dirty too soon. With this you will also not reap the benefit of breather pipe which will be rendered useless.

Don't worry about the turbulence as we are fitting K&N to the intake hose and not to the throttle body directly. Its a foot long hose and not a single chance in hell to create turbulence.


With fitting the filter outside with just a simple adaptor is far easy and more practical way to do it then anything else. You can revert back to stock filter any time you want by simply undoing the K&N+adaptor and twisting the intake hose back to air box.

Here is a picture of what I would do if I wanted to install it my way.
The Royal Enfield 500 Classic thread!-k-n.jpg


@KA18- There is no way of water making its way to the engine oil and if it has then you should ASAP change your engine oil. Water into the engine oil has adverse effect to the extent of killing the crank bearings in long run.

The one you saw in the picture is indeed the O-ring which we all have on our UCE engine and not a washel. Thats good enough for our bikes so don't worry about it at all.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Your reasoning about fixing the K&N out side does make sense over trying it inside the current air-filter box. Also, with the filter outside, we can use the OEM filter box as storage space for bike documents. tools etc. Added advantage

OK. here is what i have understood. do let me know if i am deviating from your explanation.
I need to get an aluminum billet turned on lathe, with one side to match the air hose from the bike, and other side to mate with the K&N neck. Could use the metal circular clamps (with adjustable screw) to secure the mating joints.
Drill a hole on the side of this aluminium adapter, and tap it. take another small aluminium tube with threads on one end, and screw it on the hole drilled on the main adapter. The breather tube would go on this small alumunium tube.

What i did not understand very clearly was where to secure this aluminium adapter on to the bike?

Hope getting this adapter made is not too expensive.
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@Nasir- You got it spot on this time

You would not need any circular clamps as you will have one on the filter and other you will have to use the plastic tie on the intake hose due to the limited flat surface on the intake end. There is just enough space at the end of the intake for a plastic tie. Just the way it is secured on the throttle body.

By the way, do you have the same piece plastic mudguard on yours? If not then there is hardly any space left with the new design one.

Adaptor will be too light to need any support but still we can secure it with a metal strip, thread a small bolt on to the adaptor and fix the metal strip just on the plastic mudguard where it is secured to the frame.

A very rough estimate is under 1k for a adaptor but I am sure it can be done under Rs600.

Rather then using aluminum, you can also use pvc to make the adaptor.


@Hemant- Thats really a well custom made UCE there. Love the color and the front suspension setup.
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anybody here looking for a classic 500 immediately ,please pm me,sorry to post it here,
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Old 5th October 2010, 13:18   #669
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Guys, need your inputs here. (Quite Urgent)

It was poring cats and dogs here in Pune. I was stuck in rain and my dear bike was under heavy showers for around 2 hours. After the rain stopped I started my bike and it started in one shot. BUT after riding for around 100 meters it suddenly stopped. It was the ignition switch issue (read Cheap product). I started my bike again and before I can switch gear a passing car pored water on me and bike AND bike died. I tried kicking and everything but it won't start.

I opened air filter box and I was really not surprise after seeing a hell lot of water inside. (Around 1 Glass) I started bike again and kept my fingers crossed till I reached home.

Now you know upto what extent a human mind can go. I couldn't sleep entire night. I have three questions in mind.

1) Is there any chance that water entered in EFI and bike died?
2) Is there any chance water entering in engine through breather pipe?
3) Airfilter is all socked in water. How can I clean it to avoid water vapours going inside EFI.

I didn't find any difference in riding, I check left side box and it was pretty much dry (there is a hole at bottom of the box which could have helped water drain)

Can someone guide me about what should I do next or I should just not worry?

I am already in talk with RE to get a new air filter box but not sure if new air filter will solve this water clogging issue.
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Hi

It could have been due to water entering the engine. I once had to ride through knee high water, apart from a flattened thump nothing happened to the bull. I rode hard for a while and then called up Sanjeet at 11 in the night.
Hopefully nothing would have gone wrong if it is running alright now. Dry the insides of the filter box and the filter itself. Do not ride with water in the box.
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Did the bike stop when there was water above the silencer?
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I don't think there was any waterlogging involved. From what I can understand, his Bull was just pelted with some heavy rains.
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Do not worry Hemant hopefully everything should be fine.

1.If the water entered through Throttle body then your bike should have stuttered/ hesitated which is not in your case.

2. To me it still sounds like the ignition switch, go to any service station and blow some pressurized air through it. If you can then remove the headlight dome and check the ignition switch socket. There should be no bluish color deposit on the thimbels or moist. Clean it if necessarily.

3. Take the air filter out and dry it with a hair dryer. Once dried then tap the filter a bit to remove any dry dirt inside and put it back on. If you can get a new one then save yourself some time and put it on. Before putting the air filter back on, just clean the air filter box nicely.

4. There is very less chance of water getting in through the breather pipe but to be sure, just open up the oil filler cap and see for any coffee like oil color on it. If its not transparent and you can see some creamish stuff on it then get the oil filter/ oil changed. But I doubt that you will need to go through it.

5.Do check the direction of air intake piece of plastic behind the air filter box. It should be facing towards the engine and tightly secured on to the air filter box.

6. Do check the spark plugs. Take one of them off and booth the ignition leads off the head. Crank it few times to get rid of any water vapors inside.

Thats it, but I still think its the ignition switch which caused the engine to shut off and dry out the air filter before you venture out again.


Dont bother with a new air box, it will still cause the same problem. But do wait to get the new TBTS like air filter box.

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Do not worry Hemant hopefully everything should be fine.

1.If the water entered through Throttle body then your bike should have stuttered/ hesitated which is not in your case. - True

2. To me it still sounds like the ignition switch, go to any service station and blow some pressurized air through it. If you can then remove the headlight dome and check the ignition switch socket. There should be no bluish color deposit on the thimbels or moist. Clean it if necessarily. - No its not ignition switch because I was able to crank and my fuel lamp was blinking.

3. Take the air filter out and dry it with a hair dryer. Once dried then tap the filter a bit to remove any dry dirt inside and put it back on. If you can get a new one then save yourself some time and put it on. Before putting the air filter back on, just clean the air filter box nicely. - I am going to do that.

4. There is very less chance of water getting in through the breather pipe but to be sure, just open up the oil filler cap and see for any coffee like oil color on it. If its not transparent and you can see some creamish stuff on it then get the oil filter/ oil changed. But I doubt that you will need to go through it. - I will check

5.Do check the direction of air intake piece of plastic behind the air filter box. It should be facing towards the engine and tightly secured on to the air filter box. - Already checked its in position

6. Do check the spark plugs. Take one of them off and booth the ignition leads off the head. Crank it few times to get rid of any water vapors inside. - Is it really necessary, if the bike is running fine?

Thats it, but I still think its the ignition switch which caused the engine to shut off and dry out the air filter before you venture out again.


Dont bother with a new air box, it will still cause the same problem. But do wait to get the new TBTS like air filter box. - I agree
@jkdas @EssYouWe I was going through high water level (up to knee) and cars were pondering additional water. Might be possible that water went indside air filter and stopped air intake causing bike to die. Might also possible that water was above bikes upswept. But couldn't look as I was more worried about getting home which was still 10 KM away.

Where can I get new Air filter, is it the same one that comes with other RE bikes?
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Oh dear, you should have told us earlier about the knee deep water with an upswept on and I would have suggested otherwise. In this case I think the filter got choked and you got some water in the exhaust.

If the bike is running fine then don't bother with the plugs.

The air filter on our C5 is a tad bit smaller then the older models and we can not use them. Only place to get a new one is a RE dealer or RE workshop.
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