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Old 23rd September 2011, 11:01   #376
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wow 2k for one bulb? guess the taxes
Was it Stanley make that you got along with your bike?
You were mentioning of HID, how safe is it have them fitted? Do you think HID is better to go rather than putting in simple 100/90 Bulbs?
Yeah Mahesh. The taxes and import duties really make the spares pricey. One of the ninja owners in Pune had to change the chain and front and rear sprockets. The OE chain itself was costing around 7.5k and the sprockets close to 2k odd each. Last i know, even on eBay the chain costs nothing less than 5k.

Regarding the stock bulbs, I'm not sure what make they are. Will check and let you know.

On the HID part, the kits abroad cost around INR 4-5k. But i am not going to invest in these since it puts a lot of load on the electrical system and involves some modifications to the wiring, etc.

I dont want to compromise on the reliability of the machine in any way. I hardly ride at night so the X-treme power ones should do just fine. As per the reviews on the US Ninja forums they are miles ahead of the stock bulbs so i guess it'll be more than enough.

Edit - the stock rating for the headlight bulbs are 12v 55w (high and low beam are the same rating H7 type bulbs).

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wow 2k for one bulb? guess the taxes
Was it Stanley make that you got along with your bike?
You were mentioning of HID, how safe is it have them fitted? Do you think HID is better to go rather than putting in simple 100/90 Bulbs?
A friend of mine in Pune has installed a Philips HID kit on his 250R's low beam (Dont ask me why only on low beam ).
I rode his bike with the HID at night and it makes a WORLD of difference to the comfort while riding in the dark. He has been using the HID on the Ninja since over a year now and has had no problems so far with any of the electricals (unlike another friend's P200 which got fried wiring post his HID installation. Twice !)

In my opinion, its worth the money. Anyday !
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My experience with HID was rather poor, they are useless in rain & foggy conditions. This was my experience in a friend's car whilst we were heading to Hubli from Karwar. So was just keen on checking the experience in a bike.
Aditya think the 100/90 might also be a burden on the stock wiring?
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A friend of mine in Pune has installed a Philips HID kit on his 250R's low beam (Dont ask me why only on low beam ).
I rode his bike with the HID at night and it makes a WORLD of difference to the comfort while riding in the dark. In my opinion, its worth the money. Anyday !
Thanks for the info Narula.

Not directed at you, however i am very averse to the thought of adding anything to the bike that would compromise its reliability.

Also adding a HID kit will require splicing of the OE wiring which voids warranty. Electricals on these bikes are critical and can wreak havoc if they fail. I dont want to be stranded on my long rides just in case something goes wrong. Also, i dont ride in the dark as i prefer natural daylight (unless i have no other option and i have to ride at night to reach my destination) so HID's are not for me. The stock rated bulbs will do just fine.

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Aditya think the 100/90 might also be a burden on the stock wiring?
Higher wattage bulbs require a relay to ensure the wiring is able to handle the load. This requires splicing the OE wires which i am uncomfortable with. I'm going to move the good bulb from the high beam to the low beam and use the X-treme power bulb on high beam only. I wouldn't need the X-treme power on the low beam since its a DRL (daytime running lamp) and i ride in daylight mostly. So a brighter bulb at low beam is of no use to me. The X-treme power on high beams will be useful for the occasional after dusk rides.
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Update...

The Philips X-treme power bulbs have been discontinued and the new variant (?) is now the X-treme vision bulb.

X-treme vision promises 100% more brightness (against 80% on the X-treme power) and a 35m beam length.

I sourced the bulb from JC Road and one bulb cost me 600 bucks. Its a H7 55w 12V bulb.

I replaced the bulbs myself. It took me under 10 mins (did not involve removing the fairing/headlight cowl) to replace the bulb. I used the high beam bulb in low beam socket and the new X-treme vision bulb was fitted for the high beam. Will post my feedback on the new bulb after my next ride.

Here is the link to the product page on the philips site.

P.S. I was surprised to see that the stock bulb was also philips (code 12972) but not sure if it was x-treme power or vision.

Edit - I need to replace the rear tire on my ninja over the coming weekend. Its good for a few hundered kms more but since i am attending the indiMotard track school i need to get the tire replaced.

I already have a brand new Pirelli Sport Demon tire at home which was sourced a couple of months ago. Can someone tell me if i need to get the wheel balanced/aligned post the tire replacement?

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Can someone tell me if i need to get the wheel balanced/aligned post the tire replacement?
Would suggest you to get your tire replaced at the place where Bluevolt (Rahul) got his replaced. IIRC they carried an alignment/balancing job.
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I already have a brand new Pirelli Sport Demon tire at home which was sourced a couple of months ago. Can someone tell me if i need to get the wheel balanced/aligned post the tire replacement?
Glad, you got the bulb sorted out, appears that Kawasaki use Philips as standard. Thought the Japanese companies would stick to Japanese only goods.

Regarding the wheel balancing, what does your owner's manual suggest? My manual suggests to have it checked when replacing the tire. Hi-Speed machine felt there is a genuine need for it to be done.
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went to the pro biking showroom today. they say the bike is readily available. but green ones only. black ones will take 90 days for delivery. CP, New Delhi.
upon asking about the 2012 model they said it'll arrive in February.
also, a sticker was posted at the front door of a KTM - "coming soon".
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Hi Aditya,

Whats the update on the bulb change? Is it worth doing?
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Hi Aditya, Whats the update on the bulb change? Is it worth doing?
Sure it is Brocklock. Lights up the road very well, spread and length of the beam is very good too. Brighter than the stock one IMO.
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So finally here is my experience from my first track day with the Ninja. I have driven my esteem on the chennai track (MMSC) several times thanks to the numerous track days and P&P's that took place while I was in Chennai.

Here is how it all started.

I was taking it very slow and safe on Day-1 since i wanted to build my confidence and progressively improve my speeds. Moreover i did not want any battle scar's on the bike. The key to being fast on the track is to be as smooth as possible and this is very true.

The "Slow In - Fast Out" technique which applies to cars, applies to bikes as well. The only difference is - "Look where you want to go". This is critical when one carries too much speed (too hot into a turn) which causes survival reactions or panic reactions such as mid corner braking (causes the bike to stand upright), tightening the grip on the handlebars, mid corner correction, chopping off throttle, etc. which can destabilize the bike leading to a crash or a fall.

On day-1 we were taught to use only the throttle, no brakes and two gears for the initial few laps (2 sessions of around 10 laps each). The idea was to use the throttle to slow down using engine braking (roll off gas, not chop it). As we progressed during the day we were given one more gear but still no brakes.

Initially it was scary for most of us given that we were to ride without any use of brakes but after a couple of laps we realized that with good throttle control, the brakes are just for emergencies (to shed excess speed well before the turn-in into a corner. No brakes once you turn-in or lean into a corner).

We were also taught the different types of corners (type-1, type-2, type-3) and entry, apex and exit points. Markers for entry, exit and apex were painted on the track with dark blue paint for reference (and dark blue so we dont target fixate on it or hunt for it while approaching a corner). We were also taught the six errors that riders make on the track which include entry speeds, mid corner corrections, chopping the gas (on-off-on-off) etc. Most importantly when the throttle is open it should be constant or increasing, never on-off which can disrupt the geometry of the bike while in a turn.

Balls of the feet on the pegs was another thing we were asked to practice since you would not scrape your foot on the tarmac while leaning in and it helps in getting better feedback from the chassis of the bike. Our meters (speedo's, tacho's) were all taped including all lights and mirrors removed. This is to ensure we dont see what our speeds are (distraction) and to ensure that no shards of plastic/glass is on the track in the event of a crash or fall.

Day-2 i was significantly faster and enjoyed the ninja to the hilt. I was confident so did not worry about dropping the bike. Each time i hurtled towards C1 my mind was screaming that i was way too fast (i was taking C1 at around 70kmph - had forgotten to tape my meters ). When i leaned over it was scary as i was almost sliding towards the apex (middle of the turn) and was shouting inside my helmet that i could make it. Look where you want to go helped a lot and when i approached C2 i realized i can be much faster as the approach to C2 was slightly uphill. Each time this happened and each time i realized i could be faster and i was... lap after lap. I guess i clocked over 145kmph on the straights.

On the last turn which was a wide corner (one part of the track was newly relaid so it was scary since the bike would wobble a wee bit when the surface changed, similar to tramlining) a couple of times i felt my bike wobble since the speeds were very low. I realized i had to power out of the turn and that resolved the issue to an extent. The chicane's were scary initially since i was very close to the curb's and i thought i might have a tankslapper. Out of the corner of my eye i could see the tarmac and curb's were way too close. A couple of times i rode over the curb's too and surprisingly the bike was stable. The curb's here are nicely rounded unlike the curb's on the MMSC track which protrude out.

Had great fun and looking forward to Level-2 which is scheduled in Jan-2012. Will post pics in a bit.

P.S. Big thank you to :

1. The indiMotard team and the instructors - Anand Dharmaraj, Joshua, Dodo and Schummi from Overdrive. And another instructor on the R6 who's name i forget.

2. JVH (Jayant), ku69rd (Mahesh), Sohail, patience wins, etc. and my other non member friends Prashant Appi, Sukesh, etc for the wonderful pics and company.

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So finally here is my experience from my first track day with the Ninja..
Good report Aditya... Waiting for the pics now!

A query though: Can any of the lessons learned on the track be put to use on the streets?
One which i can think of from the report is being smooth on the throttle and the cornering tips which though will not be as extreme as on the track when it comes to street.
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Yet to get the low beam bulb replaced. Been busy so riding around with the high beam on.

Just called the Bajaj service center that services the ninja and spoke to the manager in charge of the ninja service dept.

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Review - Philips X-tremePower H7 headlight bulbs - ninjette.org

Cost - Rs. 750/- a pair.
lol; loved it :P

And nice to know about the track day; awaiting pix.
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Good report Aditya... Waiting for the pics now!. A query though: Can any of the lessons learned on the track be put to use on the streets? One which i can think of from the report is being smooth on the throttle and the cornering tips which though will not be as extreme as on the track when it comes to street.
Thanks Abhinav. The race school techniques can be used on the street as well, since the focus is more on riding techniques than on racing. Level 1 does not cover body positioning and many other such techniques which are covered in Level 2.

The techniques taught here help in getting rid of the survival reactions (known commonly as SR) such as target fixation, improving areas such as throttle control, braking etc. which are widely used and applied on the street as well.

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lol; loved it :P And nice to know about the track day; awaiting pix.
Thanks. Here are the pics.

Day-1:

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Joshua, one of the instructors in the blue leather suit and dodo (nickname), another instructor behind him.

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Schumi from Overdrive coordinating the braking practice session.

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Pics from Day-2:

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After 1.5 years, the odo on my ninja now stands at 16,000 kms.
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