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Old 7th March 2012, 19:00   #31
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Sorry to hear your ordeal Visaster
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Impression : The previous mechanic ripped me
If you may want to recall what I said during Oct 2010...
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IMHO, DO NOT hand it over to any mechanic. Try to get the job done by yourself, its not that difficult
Sorry to apply salt on wounds, but, I hope everyone learns a lesson. I've been advocating this to everyone not to hand over to mechanic, but, most people follow the easy way!!!

And guess what, to coincide, my hand made Rx has completed 17000 Kms right today, running perfectly since Sep 2010 after I'd rebuilt; offlate it hasn't been running much due to CBR.

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Yeah Aargee I totally agree to what you say.
But you know people like me don't have skills like you.
Hope mine develops in this build.
I sure can't handle everything on the bike.
Its too complicated and time consuming and space occupying which I can't afford.

Presently in the process of buying parts from Y.A.S.S.
Damn these mechanics have been cheating me for years now with FAKE parts charging more than Y.A.S.S.
I always thought the parts are OEM and I save on the TAX plus lesser labor charge when I get it fixed outside. I am sorely mistaken.

Now that I visited the Y.A.S.S. unbelievably after years I realized so many things.
I sourced the parts pdf through a fellow 2 stroker Mr.Sri FIS. Thanks
Planning on starting the list with detailed parts number.

Here are picks of some OEM bought.
Its is going to be a long process.

@ Aargee - Congrats on you CBR and the 17000km (with Envy)

Someday I will hopefully get there.
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Old 8th March 2012, 14:13   #33
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But you know people like me don't have skills like you
Did you know when I started my Rx rebuild what level of knowledge I had? Just as to give an example, I didn't know the difference between mixing the 2T with Petrol in gas tank & filling it in the side oil tank
Hope this builds your confidence

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I sure can't handle everything on the bike
There's nothing like that & I SURE wouldn't take that as a reason; if an illiterate can learn about the bikes & take you for a ride, then why not an educated man like you learn the same?

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Its too complicated and time consuming and space occupying which I can't afford
Just remember, if you cannot do it NOW, you cannot do it forever. If you want to stay in the same place or keep moving forward is up to you. The real challenge lies, when you learn all this & put your rebuilt bike in front of that guy who cheated you...take my word, no way to describe the feeling; he must be wondering how the hell you learned all these; one big blow from a customer who had nerves!!! The only catch is, sooner you learn, the sooner you do it.

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Damn these mechanics...fixed outside. I am sorely mistaken
I realized it quite a while back & yes sir...I've gone through what you'd underwent too; I vented out my frustration & anger positively by learning how to do it all myself. And that's why you see my telling to everyone the same. As long as someone has passion to Rx, I'm sure they can do it all themselves. Its no big rocket science.

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@ Aargee - Congrats on you CBR and the 17000km (with Envy)
Someday I will hopefully get there.
Sure & get more than 17K too

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As Argee has rightly pointed out, nothing beats taking care of the bike by yourself. Yes, it does require some time and patience but once you get the hang of it, you will love it.

Having said that, if worse comes to worst, I can suggest a good mechanic in Chennai who has a workshop in Valluvar Kottam. A friend of mine got his RX135 completely stripped and rebuilt, to the last nut and bolt and it has come out very sweet!

Of course, the first option is always to try and do it yourself, especially old 2 strokes.
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Having said that, if worse comes to worst, I can suggest a good mechanic in Chennai who has a workshop in Valluvar Kottam. A friend of mine got his RX135 completely stripped and rebuilt, to the last nut and bolt and it has come out very sweet!
OT:- I used to pass that part almost daily and see RDs (even YVPS), RX series in work. There are about 2-3 works shops in that line dealing with RX.
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A friend of mine got his RX135 completely stripped and rebuilt, to the last nut and bolt and it has come out very sweet!
Can you shed some more details on this build of your friend. Probably pics of the final finished bike.

Anyways I sat to list out what I need to change in the bike and it dawned upon me that the number parts going into the bike is unbelievable.
For all these years I thought I knew my bike so well and it turned out that it was just the tip of the iceberg,

It was a tiring 2 hours trying to learn the parts manual. I just could not stop thinking that I need to get every part new.
But you see it just was not a viable option. It will cost a bomb and the pains of sourcing it.
Then what to change and what not to change is the confusion.

As such apart from leaking tank I don't have any running problem with the bike.

So it would help if someone can tell me what are the usual worn out part and needs replacement on a regular rebuild.

Do I address system by system, like in order of

Bore + piston
Crank and ... ?
Clutch system
The oil pump system
Fork
Wiring, ignition system
Paint, seats, wheel, tyre, last

Quick Help where to source a 18inch rim from?
Planning to go for MRF tyre, neat seat plate and seat and Exide battery today.
Trying to source a .25 piston. Hope I get one.

Some greek and latin to me.
Whats a timing rod ?
Heard things about this rod which connects to the piston if not fit fine it can damage the piston.
Do I need to change that when I do the bore and piston change?
How to check engine compression.
Heading back to books.

Do any Y.A.S.S. offer complete strip down till bolt nut, inspect, replace worn vital parts, clean survivable vital parts and fit it back and make it all new? (my lazy side wants an easy way out)
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OT:- I used to pass that part almost daily and see RDs (even YVPS), RX series in work. There are about 2-3 works shops in that line dealing with RX.
Sriram, I know the shops you are talking about, but my mechanic is not one among them.

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Can you shed some more details on this build of your friend. Probably pics of the final finished bike.

Do I address system by system, like in order of

Bore + piston
Crank and ... ?
Clutch system
The oil pump system
Fork
Wiring, ignition system
Paint, seats, wheel, tyre, last

Some greek and latin to me.
Whats a timing rod ?
Heard things about this rod which connects to the piston if not fit fine it can damage the piston.
Do I need to change that when I do the bore and piston change?
How to check engine compression.
Heading back to books.
Sure mate, my friend has promised a photo session this comeing weekend. Will post a few pix early next week.
You should first check the health of your engine and take a call based on that. Compression testers are available in GP Road, buy one and do a compression test yourself. If you have a good consistent reading over multiple tries, leave the piston / ring / bore as they are.
You should invest in a good ignition system. I am not going to promte any particular one openly but I am happy to suggest one if you are interested.

Timing 'rod' - haven't heard of anything like that in an RX.
Bottom end - can't say anything without looking at them.
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As such apart from leaking tank I don't have any running problem with the bike
Then its quite easy; just change the fuel tank, shouldn't cost more than 3-3.5K

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So it would help if someone can tell me what are the usual worn out part and needs replacement on a regular rebuild
May be you need to bring the bike for inspection or open up yourself to find out; its little difficult to point out the worn out parts of the bike just by looking at it

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Quick Help where to source a 18inch rim from?
Hero Honda CD100's rim will be a perfect quality & VFM

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Trying to source a .25 piston. Hope I get one
You mean 1st oversize?

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Whats a timing rod ?
There's no such part on 2S; 4Joke has timing chain connected from crankshaft

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How to check engine compression
Using compression meter; don't ask where to procure, GP Road Chennai
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So it would help if someone can tell me what are the usual worn out part and needs replacement on a regular rebuild.

Do I address system by system, like in order of

Bore + piston
Crank and ... ?
Clutch system
The oil pump system
Fork
Wiring, ignition system
Paint, seats, wheel, tyre, last


Quick Help where to source a 18inch rim from?
Planning to go for MRF tyre, neat seat plate and seat and Exide battery today.
Trying to source a .25 piston. Hope I get one.

Some greek and latin to me.
Whats a timing rod ?
Heard things about this rod which connects to the piston if not fit fine it can damage the piston.
Do I need to change that when I do the bore and piston change?
How to check engine compression.
Heading back to books.
I would suggest you to start fixing the engine first then go in for the cosmetic part of the bike.

As aargee has pointed out it is difficult to point out part worn out by just looking at the bike.

But the main things to check are bore(If it has a step on it or its seized), piston rings(worn out), engine bearing(worn out), crank shaft and its offset also called as connecting rod(Not timing rod), usually these parts can be assessed by starting the bike and listening to the engine noise near the crank case/bore sounds like KRRRR or whizzzing from worn out bearings (sorry best way i could express the noise).

Check your oil pump for proper functioning by removing the pipe (Small/thinner one)going to the carb from the oil pump side which is the right part of the engine when sitting on it.

Replace all the oil seals and gaskets after opening up the engine.

Next check the clutch boss kit, if it needs a reset. If your bike has this issue, you will feel a jerk while changing gears. also check if clutch plates are worn, method to check is accelerate hard in every gear and check if the RPM change correspond to change in speed of the bike.

PM if you need pics. i will try to put up as many pics of the parts mentioned above as possible.

All the best for the restoration.

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Bring your bike while you meet Prasanna. Shall give you the list that needs to be done.
FYI.. OE 1st OS piston kit is hard to come as far as I know in Chennai.
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Thanks for all your active replies.
All taken and processed.
Planning to address system by system.
I would really love to strip it down till the last bolt wash it, clean it or replace it so then I will be completely satisfied.
But wonder whether that is possible by me alone and that too in Chennai.
Decided to take one system by the week and at last go for the cosmetics.

I preferred to give it a certain personal touch of mine on the finished product not completely stock.
All parts will be OEM.
Only difference is the engine will stay black, will have the engine guard, and Y bar handle.

I just got the stock list of the accessories with me since i got the bike.
Saree guard - hardly was on the bike for a month
3 crash guards - Single bar, butterfly and the 3 bar
3 headlights - Original headlight, yezdi headlight and CBZ (only the headlight fitted
with clamps)
4 different sets of indicators - OEM, pulsar, CBZ, Splendor
6 Handle bar - 2 OEM, furry, straight (clip on imitation), small Y bar, big Y bar
2 brake light - OEM, Clear light
2 Seats - OEM and flat cut
Caliber tank cap - never fitted it (Looked cool and flat fitted on a friends tank)
2 Speedometer - OEM, Splendor
Bike height increase fitting - Don't exactly know how it was done

Now you might get a fair ideal what cosmetic changes the bike had undergone in the past. But never anything on the engine, the bike always came back to stock after few months. College days was crazy in Bangalore. No comments please :-).

I have been sourcing parts from Sri motors, Chennai. They seem to have most of it.
Today's plan is to get the rims and the spokes from HH.
May be some more parts on the oil pump after confirming its functioning. Till 6 months back it was functioning, since then I have been adding oil to the fuel.
Wiring kit and ignition system.
RDD CDI sounds good, but then I will keep it for the last.

The piston and the rings definitely have to go.
It has been on stock bore and piston for the past 14yrs and its taken the beating of all the long rides, adrenalin rush rides and so on.
It deserves a new heart and I trust you fellow mates with helping me source the 0.25 OS piston kit.
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FYI.. OE 1st OS piston kit is hard to come as far as I know in Chennai.
Is it? I think I've unused Goetze 1st over size. If he's unable to find, then I can probably help. Not sure is YMIS stopped supplying even the STD size.

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Is it? I think I've unused Goetze 1st over size. If he's unable to find, then I can probably help. Not sure is YMIS stopped supplying even the STD size.
I meant ART OE RX135 piston kit. Not Goetze. Also, it is very rare to find RX135 std size ART piston kit in Chennai.

I'm on the look out for 1 and 2nd OS RX135 piston kit for quite sometime.
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I meant ART OE RX135 piston kit. Not Goetze. Also, it is very rare to find RX135 std size ART piston kit in Chennai.

I'm on the look out for 1 and 2nd OS RX135 piston kit for quite sometime.
I am relatively new to the world of yamaha parts.
Heard of ART, this is the first time I am hearing of Goetze.
The Y.A.S.S. bluntly informed me that there is no possibility of sourcing the Bore or the piton kit from the company. (any size)
So i am left with only option of outside spare parts shop or my trusted mates here and elsewhere.
But my cheater mechanic told me you get the piston kit at the place where they do the rebore. I guess all the lathes are stocking piston kits. Got to know the difference first to spot the imitation.
How many type of piston kits are out there ?
OEM, ART, Goetze ...?
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I am relatively new to the world of yamaha parts.
Heard of ART, this is the first time I am hearing of Goetze.
The Y.A.S.S. bluntly informed me that there is no possibility of sourcing the Bore or the piton kit from the company. (any size)
So i am left with only option of outside spare parts shop or my trusted mates here and elsewhere.
But my cheater mechanic told me you get the piston kit at the place where they do the rebore. I guess all the lathes are stocking piston kits. Got to know the difference first to spot the imitation.
How many type of piston kits are out there ?
OEM, ART, Goetze ...?
Goezte, ART, Escorts-Mahle, Sam (not recommended for RX though) are all piston brands. For RX135 ART Japan supplied the piston kit when it was bought from showroom. It is considered the best among the offer from the market. The reason is their superior metallurgy makes the piston lighter than others. They are also known to last better.

Bore kit is out of question today. May be procuring 2nd hand std bore and getting it re-bored to next size is the alternative IF your already running on 2nd OS.

Till some years back, Pistons were available at YASS, but these days they stopped ordering because of era change, less takers.

Sorry if I had missed the post, can you tell me what size are you running now?
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